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Marclev
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PostPosted: 21:26 - 18 May 2016    Post subject: Overtaking in lane Reply with quote

Does anybody know what the law on this is? Some car drivers drive ludicrously close to the kerb, so you can just zoom past them without even crossing the dividing line.

How about when there are two lines going down the middle of the road? I know you're not allowed to cross them to overtake, but what's the position on staying in the same lane to overtake as per the above scenario?
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PostPosted: 21:32 - 18 May 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've passed a police car with a solid white line to our right.
I didn't cross it though. We were on a dual carriageway in a tunnel, he was going 30 (speed of traffic flow) and I was doing 35(it was a 40 limit).

I dont see as how it can be deemed illegal, as I have never seen anywhere stated that you have to be in a lane to yourself to overtake.
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PostPosted: 21:34 - 18 May 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

My understanding is that it's legal so long as you don't cross the line.

However, you're likely to be judged at fault should there be an incident, and if it were perceived as careless or dangerous by an Officer, you could potentially be reported for those offences.
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PostPosted: 21:53 - 18 May 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

God.i wrote:
It is called filtering and one of the many advantages of commuting on a bike.


Oh I do that all all the time Very Happy

But I thought filtering was when you went between lanes both going the same direction, I'm specifically talking about a normal country road with two lanes going opposite directions, not a dual carriageway.
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PostPosted: 21:58 - 18 May 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Filtering can be done on a two way road too, it's all the same thing.

The double white lines cannot be crossed or straddled, so as long as you stick to the correct side there's no issue.
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PostPosted: 23:52 - 18 May 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rule 129

Double white lines where the line nearest you is solid. This means you MUST NOT cross or straddle it unless it is safe and you need to enter adjoining premises or a side road. You may cross the line if necessary, provided the road is clear, to pass a stationary vehicle, or overtake a pedal cycle, horse or road maintenance vehicle, if they are travelling at 10 mph (16 km/h) or less.

queue of stationary traffic ill pass over double whites.
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PostPosted: 07:37 - 19 May 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Same as above. There's no specific offence, but all overtaking is inherently risky, and Constable McRageface may take a dim view. Careless or inconsiderate is a matter of opinion, and he'll doubtless have one.
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PostPosted: 07:49 - 19 May 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

when we had the snow recently we had all the usual traffic jams for no apparent reason. so, i may be cold but at least i was going to get to work on time, piles of snow in middle of road so i went in the oncoming lane to pass the queues, obviously when it was clear and safe to do so.

This was a quiet very wide rural road and i was travelling at about 10mph, whats all your views on this?

i'm not saying its legal but would you sit in stationary traffic or use the other side of the road when clear to move. I even had one biker waving me like mad, even though we were both going about 10mph and he had enough room to get 2 buses through, i just shook my head and thought what a safety pleb.
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PostPosted: 08:03 - 19 May 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

rubyhorse2 wrote:
when we had the snow recently we had all the usual traffic jams for no apparent reason. so, i may be cold but at least i was going to get to work on time, piles of snow in middle of road so i went in the oncoming lane to pass the queues, obviously when it was clear and safe to do so.

This was a quiet very wide rural road and i was travelling at about 10mph, whats all your views on this?

i'm not saying its legal but would you sit in stationary traffic or use the other side of the road when clear to move. I even had one biker waving me like mad, even though we were both going about 10mph and he had enough room to get 2 buses through, i just shook my head and thought what a safety pleb.


That's completely legal and possibly the best and most safe way to overtake.

Crack on.
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PostPosted: 08:56 - 19 May 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

rubyhorse2 wrote:
when we had the snow recently we had all the usual traffic jams for no apparent reason. so, i may be cold but at least i was going to get to work on time, piles of snow in middle of road so i went in the oncoming lane to pass the queues, obviously when it was clear and safe to do so.

This was a quiet very wide rural road and i was travelling at about 10mph, whats all your views on this?

i'm not saying its legal but would you sit in stationary traffic or use the other side of the road when clear to move. I even had one biker waving me like mad, even though we were both going about 10mph and he had enough room to get 2 buses through, i just shook my head and thought what a safety pleb.


When I'm overtaking/filtering whatever terms you want to use I will use all of the space available. This means I will be right in the middle of the opposite lane on a wide road if I want to be. I feel this gives me the best view for oncoming traffic and also gives me more time to react to anyone pulling u-ey.

And because you're out there, I think, people think "look at that idiot all the way out there", this means that at least they've seen me.

Just because I have all this space, though, it doesn't mean I'm nailing it at 8kajillion mphs, I'm still trying to allow my speed to appear reasonable and considered for any potential outcomes.
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PostPosted: 09:14 - 19 May 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Any kind of line which indicates where the approximate centre of the road is, to me, just that.
Double solids are there to remind the less experienced or hard of thinking that it may not be safe to overtake.
I'll cross the legalities bridge if and when I need to. 😉
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PostPosted: 09:16 - 19 May 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

With regards the OP, depends how close you are to that vehicle. I do it, and sometimes it's proper close. But I'd expect a pull if seen overtaking at a reasonable pace within a few feet of another vehicle.

Obviously if the lane is massive and you could practically get another car up the side, feel free.

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PostPosted: 09:34 - 19 May 2016    Post subject: Re: Overtaking in lane Reply with quote

Marclev wrote:
Does anybody know what the law on this is? Some car drivers drive ludicrously close to the kerb, so you can just zoom past them without even crossing the dividing line.

How about when there are two lines going down the middle of the road? I know you're not allowed to cross them to overtake, but what's the position on staying in the same lane to overtake as per the above scenario?


drivers of cars overtake cyclists all the time without even moving out slightly, in the same lane
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PostPosted: 09:41 - 19 May 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

rubyhorse2 wrote:
i went in the oncoming lane to pass the queues, obviously when it was clear and safe to do so.

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Absolutely fine to do so, courts agree, see Davis v Schrogin (2006) and Beasley v Alexander (2012).
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PostPosted: 09:45 - 19 May 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just make sure you're not overtaking when there's a sing that says ''no overtaking''. If you've got those in the UK.
Here:
If there was the sign = 6-12 months ban + fine + points deduction.
If there was no sign but there was a solid line = fine + points deduction.
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PostPosted: 10:39 - 19 May 2016    Post subject: re Reply with quote

there is a stretch of road which goes under a bridge on my commute in london, always packed up for atleast 100 metres, all bikes cross the double whites here to pass traffic. cops set up shop one day and was pulling everyone over and explaining that it was illegal and we will get a letter in the post for fine and points, i never got that letter.

cop said it is legal to overtake within the lane but not to cross the double whites Middle Finger
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PostPosted: 12:27 - 19 May 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

RhynoCZ wrote:
Just make sure you're not overtaking when there's a sing that says ''no overtaking''. If you've got those in the UK.

We do have them, but they're very rare. And curiously, unlike solid white lines, they appear to be advisory - I can't see that they create an offence.
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PostPosted: 12:45 - 19 May 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

wristjob wrote:
Rule 129

Double white lines where the line nearest you is solid. This means you MUST NOT cross or straddle it unless it is safe and you need to enter adjoining premises or a side road. You may cross the line if necessary, provided the road is clear, to pass a stationary vehicle, or overtake a pedal cycle, horse or road maintenance vehicle, if they are travelling at 10 mph (16 km/h) or less.

queue of stationary traffic ill pass over double whites.


Be careful though. I got 3 points and a TS20 for doing this. I went to the front of the line of traffic at a level crossing. The old bill must have been bored, as I was weighting at least 3 minutes before he stopped me.
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PostPosted: 13:06 - 19 May 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alex A wrote:
if it were perceived as careless or dangerous by an Officer


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PostPosted: 01:36 - 20 May 2016    Post subject: Re: Overtaking in lane Reply with quote

Marclev wrote:
Does anybody know what the law on this is? Some car drivers drive ludicrously close to the kerb, so you can just zoom past them without even crossing the dividing line.

How about when there are two lines going down the middle of the road? I know you're not allowed to cross them to overtake, but what's the position on staying in the same lane to overtake as per the above scenario?


Rule 163: Overtake only when it is safe and legal to do so. You should

not get too close to the vehicle you intend to overtake

Some of the rules in the Highway code are actually common sense to safe you.

IMO Squeezing past a car trying not to cross dividing line is the recipe for a disaster. What do you think will happen when a car driver swerves cause of a pot hole or a metal works near the kerb?

Let me see what I will do if I am commited to overtaking, squeeze close to car with a guy possibly texting or cross a line or two and be safe Thinking
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PostPosted: 08:18 - 20 May 2016    Post subject: Re: Overtaking in lane Reply with quote

Val wrote:
Marclev wrote:
Does anybody know what the law on this is? Some car drivers drive ludicrously close to the kerb, so you can just zoom past them without even crossing the dividing line.

How about when there are two lines going down the middle of the road? I know you're not allowed to cross them to overtake, but what's the position on staying in the same lane to overtake as per the above scenario?


Rule 163: Overtake only when it is safe and legal to do so. You should

not get too close to the vehicle you intend to overtake

Some of the rules in the Highway code are actually common sense to safe you.

IMO Squeezing past a car trying not to cross dividing line is the recipe for a disaster. What do you think will happen when a car driver swerves cause of a pot hole or a metal works near the kerb?

Let me see what I will do if I am commited to overtaking, squeeze close to car with a guy possibly texting or cross a line or two and be safe Thinking


This IMHO.

I'll pull over in the car to let a filtering bike past if it's tight, but I'll make damn clear I've seen them and then hold a line. Not sure I'd trust someone who was just randomly out of position, without knowing they were paying attention.
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PostPosted: 00:39 - 21 May 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

https://www.drivingtesttips.biz/images/no-overtaking-sign.jpg

This sign says no overtakes. More popular rest of the Europe than in UK.
As many people said before - double line means no crossing but you can overtake when it's safe to do so.
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PostPosted: 11:09 - 21 May 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

C1REX wrote:
https://www.drivingtesttips.biz/images/no-overtaking-sign.jpg
This sign says no overtakes.

What offence are you committing if you do?

Serious question, my reading of TSRGR 2002 is that it's advisory.
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PostPosted: 11:25 - 21 May 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

C1REX wrote:
https://www.drivingtesttips.biz/images/no-overtaking-sign.jpg

This sign says no overtakes. More popular rest of the Europe than in UK.
As many people said before - double line means no crossing but you can overtake when it's safe to do so.


That is interesting, I knew you had a similar rule but was not sure.
CZE and the surrounding states versions of the sign:

No overtaking (all vehicles are not allowed to overtake)
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No overtaking (only the vehicles above 3.5t are not allowed to overtake)
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