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PostPosted: 08:08 - 22 May 2016    Post subject: Riding/driving with other vehicles BANNED in Harlow! Reply with quote

I apologise for the tabloid headline, but these does seem to be a particularly badly formed overreaching and unnecessary piece of legislation.

Press release.

Full Document here.

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The injunction forbids the following activities as part of an unauthorised ride out:

Excessive noise.
Danger to other road users including pedestrians.
Damage or risk of damage to private property.
Any nuisance to other persons not participating in the unauthorised ride out.
Driving at excess speed.
Driving in convoy.
Racing another motor vehicle.
Performing stunts.
Sounding horns.
Playing loud music.
Dropping litter.
Shouting or swearing at, or abusing, threatening or otherwise intimidating another person.


Of course, most of the items are already illegal.
The two that seem of particular concern are that you can not be 'in convoy' or use your horn in a case where you are.
It affects anyone that is 'with' at least one other vehicle and affects all motor vehicles, not just bikes.


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PostPosted: 08:11 - 22 May 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The injunction is in force in time to stop a planned ride out event set for this Saturday (21 May 2016).


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PostPosted: 08:22 - 22 May 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

"Unauthorised ride out" >= 2 vehicles ... Rolling Eyes

So, if you, your mum and dad and your grandparents need to take 2 cars to go somewhere in Harlow, that's an unauthorised ride out..

I suppose you could argue that since there's only 1 paragraph 'above', nobody could ever meet the criteria . Paragraph 2 does not exist.
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PostPosted: 08:23 - 22 May 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is it April 1st again?

Impossibru to enforce.

So any procession queue of traffic will be a convoy?

Cooncils? Who needs 'em?
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PostPosted: 08:28 - 22 May 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Someone had commented that riding schools will now have to apply for permission. As should examiners at test centres presumably.

Also funerals; definitely.

And, actually; the police! Wonder the method of requesting authorisation and if it's logged.


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PostPosted: 08:29 - 22 May 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

G wrote:
Someone had commented that riding schools will now have to apply for permission. As should examiners at test centres presumably.

Also funerals; definitely.


There doesn't appear to be a provision in the injectioninjunction to allow for granting of permission. If you are in breach you are in breach. The only thing would be if you were prosecuted or not.


I'm guessing that the Harlow Classic Car show wont be going ahead this year either?
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PostPosted: 08:30 - 22 May 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Essex mentality innit. I blame Harry Enfield.
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PostPosted: 08:36 - 22 May 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

ScaredyCat wrote:

There doesn't appear to be a provision in the injection to allow for granting of permission.

It does specify 'unathorised', but doesn't make clear how to become authorised.

However, I'm not that up on this sort of thing.

Does anyone off-hand know the process by which this would have been enacted?
Who would have decided to do it this way and who would have agreed to it?
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PostPosted: 08:36 - 22 May 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

You spend ages waiting for a bus, then three turn up at once.

Those poor bus drivers, they are gonna get screwed.
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PostPosted: 08:39 - 22 May 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

CaNsA wrote:
You spend ages waiting for a bus, then three turn up at once.

Those poor bus drivers, they are gonna get screwed.


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PostPosted: 08:40 - 22 May 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh and - I was riding a (push) bike around Harlow on Friday and didn't see any marauding 'ride outs', however they may have been saving that all up for Saturday.
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PostPosted: 08:41 - 22 May 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

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unauthorised ride outs between 10am and 12midnight on any public land or public highway in Harlow


Anyone fancy a 00:01 hoon through Harlow?
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PostPosted: 08:48 - 22 May 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

My guess is that something was being organised by the local patch group. They seem to have been the biggest cause of grief where motorcycling is concerned in that area. The last planned MAG rally that I knew of in that area (some years ago) was banned due to (rumours of?) trouble between them and the Angels. I don't know that they ever held another (can't remember the rally's name*), but it had been a very successful and long-running event up till then.

*edit: Magna Carta rally
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PostPosted: 08:51 - 22 May 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bloody hell, they are being proper nazis....

The official document states that even to organise or encourage a ride out is an offence, regardless if the ride out happens.
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PostPosted: 08:55 - 22 May 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

chickenstrip wrote:
My guess is that something was being organised by the local patch group.

It's over chav-kids mostly.
https://www.harlowstar.co.uk/Police-warn-Harlow-youths-second-Marcel-ride/story-29288960-detail/story.html
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PostPosted: 09:02 - 22 May 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh, right. Used to be the Outcasts (or a sub-group of that club) that stirred things up there. Seems Harlow just creates a certain mentality Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 10:37 - 22 May 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

CaNsA wrote:
Bloody hell, they are being proper nazis....


Nazis would round you up and gas you though. Harlow constabulary aren't likely to gas you. I'd be surprised, near aghast if a couple of bikers even get a tug as a result of this let alone a talking to, a ticket, or gassed.

That of course may be different for 100 bikers that decide to stunt it around the local B&Q car park as would be the intention behind the ridiculously poorly written injunction. But then police would just S59 the hell out of them types anyway, so what's new?

I don't think I'm that concerned.
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PostPosted: 11:21 - 22 May 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

The original 'memorial ride out' for this kid was the start of it -
https://i.imgur.com/mi9ZBsi.jpg

So, a little assumption would lead us to the conclusion his friends also illegally ride non-registered bikes on the road.

His death wasn't related to that however, [url=https://www.yourharlow.com/2016/05/11/inquest-records-an-open-verdict-into-the-death-of-marcel-jayden/ .
probably suicide[/url].
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PostPosted: 11:34 - 22 May 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Such tragedy, much sad, many tears. RIP Marcel.
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PostPosted: 11:38 - 22 May 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pretty much what I figured. Trackies rather than leathers.

So, the result is that chavs who are already riding around illegally and giving zero fucks will now be doing it double-illegally. But with no plates and doubtless a no-pursuit policy, the consequences for them will remain exactly the same: none at all.

Meanwhile, anyone riding around legally and plated up who happens to hook up with another bike is going to get the book thrown at them to Send A Message.

Splendid work, awesome result for justice. Clapping
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PostPosted: 11:44 - 22 May 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
Meanwhile, anyone riding around legally and plated up who happens to hook up with another bike is going to get the book thrown at them to Send A Message.

Same thing happens here, and most probs all over the country, every year.

Scrotes ragging nicked scoots and crossers up and down the road, being total bellends.

Popo get many phonecalls about the dangerous motorbikes.

Popo "tackle" the problem by stopping legit riders to make sure they have tax, insurance, mot, and licence.

But they are powerless to stop the illegal twats.

Fuck it, im gonna cancel my insurance, ignore any points i get, screw the tax, and who needs an MOT anyways.

Never get stopped again.
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PostPosted: 12:20 - 22 May 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Essex.
The county where everybody gets to be an outlaw biker.
Rolling Eyes

Sons of Anarchy fans will be over the moon.
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PostPosted: 12:21 - 22 May 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

chickenstrip wrote:
Oh, right. Used to be the Outcasts (or a sub-group of that club) that stirred things up there. Seems Harlow just creates a certain mentality Rolling Eyes


Outlaws/Outcasts, don't get em mixed up
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PostPosted: 12:49 - 22 May 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is nothing new to me or that surprising really. Where I live we have a high Court injunction to ban any car cruising in the county, as there used to be a huge problem a few years ago with large meetings and mass cruises of boy racers.

While I'm not sure of the specifics, assume it's two or more vehicles deliberately travelling together on roads that have been identified as problem routes or routes to previous car meeting spots.

You'd spot such activities easily though, as boy racers and people with cars who do this sort of thing are still very stereotypical and stand out a mile IMO.

I'm all for it really as why should residents and the public/ ordinary motorists and cyclists and pedestrians have to put up with groups of loud erraticly driven speeding vehicles in residential streets at night, and in town centre car parks when people are still out and about.

I do agree with MCN though about it being very hard if not impossible to police the above injunction. We get loud bikes at night around here just going around the 3-5miles of local ring roads and at 2-5am, so I wouldn't mind a police presence out now and then to pull them over and do them for antisocial behaviour and noise disturbance during the early hours of the morning.
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