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PostPosted: 10:39 - 25 May 2016    Post subject: Talking the talk at the chemists..... Reply with quote

So I'm heading to Portugal for a few months in a couple of weeks, and went down to the chemists to get some drugs before I go.

I researched various stuff to put in my med-kit, and heard about Phenergan (Promethazine) a multi-use anti-histamine that can be used for treating allergic reactions, nausea, insomnia and as a mild sedative. Sounds like a pretty useful thing to have with me.

So the conversation in the pharmacy went like this:
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Me: Hi I'm going travelling soon so I've got a list of medicines to get and take with me. First one is Promethazine.

Lady: Well, er we don't really like to sell that one, it would be better if you come back with a script.

Me: No worries, is there any other OTC anti-histamines that are similar?

Lady: Do you want drowsy or non-drowsy?

Me: I'm not sure, the reason I wanted Promethazine is it has multiple uses.... *proceeds to rattle of the various jobs it can do*

Lady: I will go and find out.

**Lady returns with a box of Promethazine**

Lady: The pharmacist is happy for me to sell you these.


So I'm guessing there are classes of drugs that whilst not strictly prescription-only, they don't "like" selling them to anyone that asks? The fact that I had obviously done a bit of research and not some random dribbler seemed to get their OK. Is this a normal thing in chemists?

I never have cause to go in there usually so have no idea if they made an exception just for moi, or whether this is standard.
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PostPosted: 11:32 - 25 May 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Probably because of its heavy sedation effects - probably too many people falling asleep at the wheel or losing arms in heavy machinery for them to be keen on shifting it.

Wiki says its a first-generation antihistamine as well so again, they're more keen on shifting stuff that's more targeted, less side effects and, above all, more expensive.

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PostPosted: 11:49 - 25 May 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mate, this is something that REALLY pisses me off. I don't usually buy medication but on the odd occasion, I need some strong pain killers for my knee.

After my brother in law gave me a load of Tramadol's, I burned through them in a couple of weeks. Was told to get Paramol from a chemist as it's quite strong as well.

I go to buy it and the chemist is quizzing me on why I'm specifically asking for Paramol, I tell her and she proceeds to say it's for 3 days only and not to be taken for prolonged periods.

About a week later, I go back and this time she refuses to sell me them. As I said, I don't buy medication often so I was un-aware of this "rule". They're basically treating me like some kind of smack head saying I was, "Only here the other day".

I was like, "Are you being serious? You're refusing to sell me a non prescription pain killer over the counter because I came a week ago? Do I look like a dug addict?".

I get it, people do go in chemists and abuse prescription medication, if I was turning up daily, dithering and shaking, eyes dialled in, I see why they might refuse someone like that.

Anyway, went to another chemist, got them... went back a week or so later and same shit.

Fuck that, I just want some fucking pain killers...I know what they do, I know the score, don't need to treat everyone like smack heads begging them for pain killers Laughing Laughing
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PostPosted: 11:53 - 25 May 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's normal for them to ask you questions when you're buying over the counter stuff and if they don't like your answers then they won't sell to you. Laughing

Alternatively you can buy stuff online... https://www.pharmacy2u.co.uk/phenergan-10mg-tablets-p10195.html
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PostPosted: 12:16 - 25 May 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jayy wrote:
Mate, this is something that REALLY pisses me off. I don't usually buy medication but on the odd occasion, I need some strong pain killers for my knee.

After my brother in law gave me a load of Tramadol's, I burned through them in a couple of weeks. Was told to get Paramol from a chemist as it's quite strong as well.

I go to buy it and the chemist is quizzing me on why I'm specifically asking for Paramol, I tell her and she proceeds to say it's for 3 days only and not to be taken for prolonged periods.

About a week later, I go back and this time she refuses to sell me them. As I said, I don't buy medication often so I was un-aware of this "rule". They're basically treating me like some kind of smack head saying I was, "Only here the other day".

I was like, "Are you being serious? You're refusing to sell me a non prescription pain killer over the counter because I came a week ago? Do I look like a dug addict?".

I get it, people do go in chemists and abuse prescription medication, if I was turning up daily, dithering and shaking, eyes dialled in, I see why they might refuse someone like that.

Anyway, went to another chemist, got them... went back a week or so later and same shit.

Fuck that, I just want some fucking pain killers...I know what they do, I know the score, don't need to treat everyone like smack heads begging them for pain killers Laughing Laughing


Read that post back to yourself aloud.

If you have so much orthopaedic pain you need to take repeated doses of tramadol or codeine, you should be prescribed them under medical supervision. Or get whatever the problem is sorted out.

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PostPosted: 13:24 - 25 May 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, I'd be considering getting things looked in to rather than living using them. I spent 8 months going between oxycodone and tramadol, it took about 18 months to come off them and I was possibly as close to a crack addict as you can get in that period. It was not fun and I'd not want to go through it again.
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PostPosted: 13:26 - 25 May 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Paddy. wrote:
I was possibly as close to a crack addict as you can get in that period.

Balls deep, or just spooning?
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PostPosted: 13:28 - 25 May 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
Balls deep, or just spooning?


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PostPosted: 13:35 - 25 May 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

smegballs wrote:


I got these cheeseburgers maannnn


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PostPosted: 14:08 - 25 May 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Some drugs come on a P label, which is the middle ground between prescription and uncontrolled. It means you can only get them from a pharmacy, and the pharmacist can refuse to sell them.

So you can buy paracetamol in a petrol station, but not co-codamol.
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PostPosted: 17:47 - 25 May 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

They also have restrictions on how much sudafed you can buy at one time, owing to its pseduoepinephrine content - apparently meth labs are enough of a problem in the UK to warrant enforcing this.

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PostPosted: 17:53 - 25 May 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

As ste says buy stuff online. What really pi$$es me off is when you get a prescription, £8 please, when the stuff costs a fiver online. So my taxes go towards ripping me off... brilliant.
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PostPosted: 18:12 - 25 May 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

I always take nytol over to Ireland with me for a friend who struggles to get hold of it over there. Similar to the OP, you need a reasonable story for wanting some. I always use the "I'll be on a ferry for nearly 24 hours and I get very anxious when I travel, so need something to help me sleep".

I clearly sell the story to them because as well as giving me the pills, they offer all sorts of advice to overcome anxiety when on boats.
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PostPosted: 18:45 - 25 May 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

M.C wrote:
As ste says buy stuff online. What really pi$$es me off is when you get a prescription, £8 please, when the stuff costs a fiver online. So my taxes go towards ripping me off... brilliant.


Although you also pay £8 for stuff that costs 500 quid online...
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PostPosted: 19:07 - 25 May 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

M.C wrote:
As ste says buy stuff online. What really pi$$es me off is when you get a prescription, £8 please, when the stuff costs a fiver online. So my taxes go towards ripping me off... brilliant.


You don't have to pay the NHS prescription charge. You are free to just pay the pharmacist for the the drugs on a private basis once you have the prescription and not do it via the NHS. They just need the sriopt to show the drugs have been prescribed.
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PostPosted: 19:21 - 25 May 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

I bought a small box of Migraleve from a Boots pharmacy the other week and it was like the Spanish inquisition. The first person wasn't qualified to sell me them so I had to return to the queue and wait for the other person.

"Why do you want those?"
"For migraine."
"How often do you have migraine?"
"Once or twice a month."
"Have you seen your doctor?"
"No, not recently."
"Why Migraleve?"
"Because it's the only thing that works."
"Have you had it before?"
"Yes..."
"Do you want the pink ones, or the pink ones and the yellow ones?"
"Just the pink ones."
"Why not the yellow ones?"
"Because the pink ones do the job."
"You know you're only supposed to take these for three days because of the codeine?"
"Yes, I only usually need one dose."

Eventually I passed the exam and was allowed to leave with the damn tablets.

TL;DR - Pharmacists will always ask questions when you want particular things.
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PostPosted: 20:05 - 25 May 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

I can't work them out, there's no correlation at all for drug restriction. Once bought a bottle of night nurse and the woman behind the counter got out the thumb screws and was highly suspicious of me, a potential addict, giving the completely implausible excuse of "the missus needs it because she's having trouble sleeping"

But then, my missus wrote off her car, got lots of neck/back ache and got a years supply of co-codamol prescribed. Two years if she's careful to not take it for more than three days.
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PostPosted: 02:11 - 26 May 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

'Aspro Clear' you cannot get it in UK now as it was taken off the shelves.
I was told, by a pharmacist, that it may have been due to the salt content (Sodium Something)
You can get other soluble aspirin but it tastes like.... Aspirin. Sad

I now bulk buy Aspro Clear when I go through Amsterdam Airport. I am now a muthafukin a drug smuggler. Cool

I find it super effective for aches an' pains, especially headache/migraine.

One must watch the dose and frequency though as it not so good for the gut. But I have been 'self-prescribing' for years and I don't have an ulcer yet. Smile
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PostPosted: 06:02 - 26 May 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:


You don't have to pay the NHS prescription charge. You are free to just pay the pharmacist for the the drugs on a private basis once you have the prescription and not do it via the NHS. They just need the sript to show the drugs have been prescribed.


I am a pharmacist.

This is 100% not true and pharmacists have been taken to court for doing it.


Comments on the rest:

a) consider how much easier it would be for us just to sell you the stuff and pocket the profit. We don't actually get paid to upset people, it's just that we put your health above both your convenience and our profit.


b) check out the online forums for OTC (over the counter) codeine addicts where they all claim it's our fault for selling it to them, after they've developed a routine for visiting every shop in the area just once every 2 weeks or so, and learnt the lies to tell each time.
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PostPosted: 06:17 - 26 May 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Codeines addictiveness is underestimated by many people. I've personally witnessed it change someone's life permanently and know at least one other person who was hooked but managed to break the cycle.

Arguably it's more of a "gateway drug" than Cannabis.

I can see why the pharmacy is careful.
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PostPosted: 09:47 - 26 May 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:

If you have so much orthopaedic pain you need to take repeated doses of tramadol or codeine, you should be prescribed them under medical supervision. Or get whatever the problem is sorted out.


I don't, was for a couple weeks only and didn't warrant going to the doctors.

Infact, just to add, that was the first and last time I have ever taken Tramadol or Paramol. I just don't take shit like that normally but I had a combination of a raging tooth ache from a wisdom tooth and a really old knee issue at the same time.
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PostPosted: 16:29 - 26 May 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

defblade wrote:


I am a pharmacist.

This is 100% not true and pharmacists have been taken to court for doing it.


Really?

I've done it several times.

Admittedly not recently.

What offence would they be comitting? In what way would it be any different to them filling a private or veterinary prescription?

I go into my local boots the chemist to buy drugs (with a script) for my animal patients because they are often cheaper than our wholesaler.
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PostPosted: 17:19 - 26 May 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

c_dug wrote:
Codeines addictiveness is underestimated by many people. I've personally witnessed it change someone's life permanently and know at least one other person who was hooked but managed to break the cycle.

Arguably it's more of a "gateway drug" than Cannabis.

I can see why the pharmacy is careful.


That's interesting. When I snapped my collar bone in two, I was prescribed boxes of 100 30/500 co-codamol and told to take 2 at a time. I stopped taking them after around 10 days as I didn't need them anymore. At no point did I feel like they were doing anything for me other than numbing the pain. No ill effects from coming off them either. Took the left overs (I had well over 100 left as I'd put in the repeat prescription) occasionally to nuke a headache and they worked a treat, but again, never felt any need at all to keep taking them.
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PostPosted: 20:02 - 26 May 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:


What offence would they be comitting?


It is, obviously, tax evasion. The bit, historically, they actually prosecute (or threaten to) is, basically, stealing the NHS prescription - the actual piece of paper remains the property of the NHS at all times and we are contracted to return it to the NHS at the end of the month following its dispensing. Treating it as a private script means holding it on the premises for a minimum of 2 years after dispensing, which is obviously incompatible with returning it that month.

I imagine these days, they'd probably push the fraud case instead (they're hot on fraud, especially with us evil money-grabbing-shop-keeping pharmacist types, notwithstanding the earlier comment about how much easier it would be to sell stuff and pocket the cash...). It's obvious that cheery picking the low-cost items to treat as a private script (and obviously, there's a mark-up on those, too, so a profit and therefore a fraud motive) denies the NHS the tax money that would balance out against the high cost items that are taxed at the same flat rate.



It's not a great system, I'm glad to be in Wales now, where only tourists have to pay Wink
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PostPosted: 20:10 - 26 May 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Poseidon wrote:


That's interesting. When I snapped my collar bone in two, I was prescribed boxes of 100 30/500 co-codamol and told to take 2 at a time. I stopped taking them after around 10 days as I didn't need them anymore. At no point did I feel like they were doing anything for me other than numbing the pain. No ill effects from coming off them either. Took the left overs (I had well over 100 left as I'd put in the repeat prescription) occasionally to nuke a headache and they worked a treat, but again, never felt any need at all to keep taking them.


People get addicted to different things, at different rates.

Quite a number of people get addicted to everything - smoking, alcohol, sleeping tablets, gambling, street drugs, OTC drugs, you name it.

In a non-addictive person, using opiates for pain relief and tailing them off as the pain improves, often no problem.


Big problem with codeine OTC is it's often taken for a headache. Then, if you get used to it quickly and try to leave it off, you get withdrawal symptoms... the most common of which is.... a headache. So you take some more co-codamol, and it goes again. Eventually, you build a tolerance to the codeine dose and start needing to take more and more to stop the headache "coming back". Not good.
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