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joemc
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PostPosted: 21:14 - 29 May 2016    Post subject: isle of man, no mot Reply with quote
My pal has just bought a bike while hes in the isle of man, he says theres no mot over there, so when he brings it back over can he ride it at all before having an mot, or does it have to have one before its ridden?
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PostPosted: 21:32 - 29 May 2016    Post subject: Re: isle of man, no mot Reply with quote
joemc wrote:
My pal has just bought a bike while hes in the isle of man, he says theres no mot over there, so when he brings it back over can he ride it at all before having an mot, or does it have to have one before its ridden?


He can ride it to a prebooked MOT station for the test, as long as it is within 'reasonable distance'.

Book it in close to home, that's pretty fucking reasonable to me.
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PostPosted: 21:39 - 29 May 2016    Post subject: Re: isle of man, no mot Reply with quote
joemc wrote:
My pal has just bought a bike while hes in the isle of man, he says theres no mot over there, so when he brings it back over can he ride it at all before having an mot, or does it have to have one before its ridden?
It will need an MOT if it is more than 3 years old ( 4 years old for NI) and it will also have to be reregistered in the UK.
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PostPosted: 22:03 - 29 May 2016    Post subject: Re: isle of man, no mot Reply with quote
moonzoomer wrote:
it will also have to be reregistered in the UK.


In theory yes. I'd be wanting to hang on to those Manx plates for as long as possible though. Wink
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PostPosted: 22:07 - 29 May 2016    Post subject: Re: isle of man, no mot Reply with quote
joemc wrote:
My pal has just bought a bike while hes in the isle of man, he says theres no mot over there, so when he brings it back over can he ride it at all before having an mot, or does it have to have one before its ridden?


Where is he docking?

Mersey Motorcycles are decent and about 2 miles from both the port in Liverpool.
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PostPosted: 22:33 - 29 May 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote
He could live dangerously and ride it home without an MOT. Shocked

What's he bought?
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PostPosted: 23:10 - 29 May 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote
Why would it need an MOT if it's still registered and has IOM plates.
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PostPosted: 23:29 - 29 May 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote
i agree, its a iom bike, as long as its on iom plates it doesnt need a mot.

its like riding a british bike in france, or germany, you dont need your bike to pass local inspections, only the country of origins inspections,

ride that bike home like he stole it.
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PostPosted: 23:35 - 29 May 2016    Post subject: Re: isle of man, no mot Reply with quote
Pjay wrote:
joemc wrote:
My pal has just bought a bike while hes in the isle of man, he says theres no mot over there, so when he brings it back over can he ride it at all before having an mot, or does it have to have one before its ridden?


He can ride it to a prebooked MOT station for the test, as long as it is within 'reasonable distance'.

Book it in close to home, that's pretty fucking reasonable to me.



I booked an MOT in Kent and collected a car in Manchester. Before I did it I phoned up North Kent Traffic police and asked them if it was legally allowed and they said it was so long as I was going straight to a pre-booked MOT.
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PostPosted: 23:42 - 29 May 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote
At the end of the day, don't worry about it. Manx registered vehicles do not show up on the UK ANPR system, so no-one will ever know. Tell him to enjoy his freedom and don't worry anout speed cameras either. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 07:41 - 30 May 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote
He picked up a 1998 bandit for 450 quid. Ready to ride. Sounds silly chsap!
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PostPosted: 08:49 - 30 May 2016    Post subject: Re: isle of man, no mot Reply with quote
Pjay wrote:
He can ride it to a prebooked MOT station for the test, as long as it is within 'reasonable distance'.

What are you 'quoting'?
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PostPosted: 08:53 - 30 May 2016    Post subject: Re: isle of man, no mot Reply with quote
Rogerborg wrote:
Pjay wrote:
He can ride it to a prebooked MOT station for the test, as long as it is within 'reasonable distance'.

What are you 'quoting'?


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PostPosted: 17:40 - 30 May 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote
They do mention the exceptions here,

https://www.gov.uk/getting-an-mot/when-to-get-an-mot

No mention of a "reasonable distance"
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PostPosted: 18:12 - 30 May 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote
ZX-7R wrote:
People worry about plod too much.


agreed.
i regularly overtake and filter past them.
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PostPosted: 20:27 - 30 May 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote
Monkeywrencher wrote:
https://www.gov.uk/getting-an-mot/when-to-get-an-mot

By the way, that's slightly misleading.

The Man wrote:
The only exceptions are to drive it:
to or from somewhere to be repaired
to a pre-arranged MOT test

You can also take it away from an MOT test if it fails. The repair clause is for remedial work identified by the MOT, so strictly speaking you can't just take it somewhere to get work done before the MOT.

But yes, no mention of distance, reasonable or otherwise. The case laws deals with the directness of the trip, not the distance.
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PostPosted: 20:56 - 30 May 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote
T.C wrote:
With regards to distance, it is very dependant on the Copper who stops you and the attitude of the courts.

There is case law and a few examples


Secretary of State for Transport V. Richards ( 1998 ) JP 682 Queen's Bench Division:

In this case the Judge summed up by saying

"On the facts of this case, it is ridiculous if a driver could not stop to obtain petrol on the way. It would fly in the face of common sense if some short stop cannot be made by the driver, for whatever purpose, providing he is on his way to the test station. Petrol may be necessary to get to the testing station. Driving past a testing station to get to another 200 miles away almost certainly isn't."

In the same case the Judge commented

"There is nothing to prevent a person charged with keeping a vehicle on a public road without a vehicle excise licence from coming under the exception of exempt vehicle if the facts of the case justify it.

It is a question of fact and degree in each case for the court to determine whether the exemption is satisfied.

So there is no requirement in law for a direct route. Equally there is no explicit permission in law for a vehicle to be driven a long distance.

This is one of those cases where a court must have regard to the "will of Parliament". It is clearly the "will of Parliament" that the public should be afforded a degree of protection from risk by compelling vehicles over 3 years old to have a current MOT. It is also the "will of Parliament" that drivers should have some exemption from this in limited circumstances to enable testing to take place with minimal hassle. Hence the exemption for driving to a pre-booked MOT."

In one case a defendant had a small car that was legal and a big estate that he was restoring. When his new flat pack furniture wouldn't fit in the small car he booked an MOT close to the shop selling the item, drove 50+ miles there picked up the wardrobe, failed the test, and drove back home to repair the car. He was found guilty.

Another case involved driving a car 40 or so miles past a number of test places to an MOT centre that had specialist knowledge of ancient Rolls Royce cars. Not guilty as it was accepted by the court his explanation that testing early Rolls Royce motor cars required expertise not available at the other MOT stations.

So it is very much down to the discretion of the courts if it gets that far.

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PostPosted: 20:02 - 31 May 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote
ZX-7R wrote:
People worry about plod too much.


Anecdotally, I have on many occasions tested vehicle that 6/8/12 months out of test (through error) and have been in regular use on the roads during those periods without getting caught, they were
always taxed and insured
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PostPosted: 06:39 - 01 Jun 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote
If it less than 7 years old will need SVI test or certificate of conformity watch out import duty may need to be paid !

MOT is minor bike will need to be registered

IOM is NOT part of EU
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PostPosted: 07:00 - 01 Jun 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote
davebike wrote:
watch out import duty may need to be paid !


There's no import duty between the IoM and the UK. I can't remember the exact details but the two countries have a reciprocal agreement in place.

You do have to complete a form to say it's being exported though.
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PostPosted: 07:12 - 01 Jun 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote
Monkeywrencher wrote:
ZX-7R wrote:
People worry about plod too much.


Anecdotally, I have on many occasions tested vehicle that 6/8/12 months out of test (through error) and have been in regular use on the roads during those periods without getting caught, they were
always taxed and insured


Keep it up mate.
It wins you a £100 Fixed Penalty with a charge for a contravention of some act or other.
Tax and Insurance is no defence or protection from this.

If APNR see the reg you will automatically be reported and be required the pay the FP.

Post any argument here V V V.
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PostPosted: 19:13 - 01 Jun 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote
MCN wrote:
Monkeywrencher wrote:

Anecdotally, I have on many occasions tested vehicle that 6/8/12 months out of test (through error) and have been in regular use on the roads during those periods without getting caught, they were
always taxed and insured


Keep it up mate.
It wins you a £100 Fixed Penalty with a charge for a contravention of some act or other.
Tax and Insurance is no defence or protection from this.

If APNR see the reg you will automatically be reported and be required the pay the FP.

Post any argument here V V V.


The basic misunderstanding here is....I'm the Tester not the Presenter the Tester tests a Vehicle not a Presenter who is usually the owner. (this is basic stuff and it makes me feel like I'm being patronising having to type it).
My Vehicles are all taxed, insured and mot'd,

Also I emboldened the big IF, I'm just saying it goes undetected... A lot
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PostPosted: 19:23 - 01 Jun 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote
davebike wrote:
If it less than 7 years old will need SVI test or certificate of conformity watch out import duty may need to be paid !

MOT is minor bike will need to be registered

IOM is NOT part of EU


CoC should be ample. Thumbs Up

IOM is not part of the EU, but in terms of trade and stuff there is an arrangement in place. I must say I'd be unsure on the import duty side of things as VAT wouldn't have been paid on the original purchase. Email Customs and Excise "for a friend" of course.
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PostPosted: 00:12 - 02 Jun 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote
The basic misunderstanding here is....I'm the Tester not the Presenter the Tester tests a Vehicle not a Presenter who is usually the owner. (this is basic stuff and it makes me feel like I'm being patronising having to type it).
My Vehicles are all taxed, insured and mot'd,

Also I emboldened the big IF, I'm just saying it goes undetected... A lot[/quote]

KACK. If you're riding REGULARLY in a POLICED area you WILL be APNRed and you will get a bill for £100.

(Emboldened for the stubborn nay sayers.)

I misunderstand very little (my teachers all said. Wink )
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