Can Prag16m stand level against the worlds pre-eminemt Almax

[Cronik]

Specifically 16mm

Me heard they brittle
Me heard they shatter easy
Keep them off ground, I shall!
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[Albigularis]

I don't think they're brittle, the guy at Pragmasis does really know his stuff.

I don't think they're quite as good as Almax chains though. I saw a fairly thorough review on a forum which said the Pragmasis 16mm was croppable but with extreme difficulty, to the point where you couldn't simply roll up with a set of croppers and cut it. Your average chav with croppers won't get through it.
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[Commuter_Tim]

[stevo as b4]

Does every fucking bike theft have to occur with a pair of bolt croppers though? It's a bit of a daft thing this so called un croppable chain business, as you need big 42''+ croppers for tough chains, but if I had a van I'd have a portable gas ax in there and a stihl disc cutter. Both not much more unwieldy than big heavy bolt croppers?

[JoeDaStudd]

Iirc no manual croppers can take a 16mm chain in the teeth so as long there isn't any slack on the ground your looking at power tools at which point they can take anything it's just a matter of time.

Personally I went with Almax because it was slightly cheaper delivered, had slightly better reviews and looked a bit nicer.

[G]

Also you can get fairly compact hydraulic croppers I believe.

So all stuff a bit above your typical chav-kids, but easily available for anyone who's already made money from selling stolen bikes.

[Hong Kong Phooey]

Angle grinder with cut off wheel £19, high vis + hard hat £15 (the modern day cloak of invisibility for public areas don't you know)

The look on your face as you return to half an Almax / Pragmasis chain, priceless.

Sorry to say but there's always a way, and the way is much cheaper and accessible than hydraulic tools.

10mm v 16mm v 19mm buys you about 4 seconds more for each increment.
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[stevo as b4]

My point exactly, though as G mentioned small hydraulic cutters are available and probably much quieter than any abrasive wheel or cutting disc method.

[G]

I've used a battery grinder (the £19 one you'll need some AC power) and got through a chain link pretty quickly on a medium-cheap chain.

A lot more noise than hydraulic, however.

[ADSrox0r]

Nothing will stop a determined tea leaf equipped with the right tools. A battery grinder or hydraulic equipment will take care of even the beefiest chain.

All you can do is make it a pain in the arse and slow them down. What's better than a beefy chain? Two beefy chains. What's better than an alarm? Two alarms. And a disc lock. And a shed alarm. And a gps tracker with obvious stickers. And immobiliser.

But I know even with all that shit they would still have it if I'm not at home.

If I could chain a starving mountain lion to mine as well as all that shit, I would.
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[Polarbear]

As everyone has said, the 'professionals' (i hate using that word for tea leafs) will have it away whatever if they want it.

Chavs are a different story, but they are just cunts. Many years ago some had my daughter SR125 off the drive, wheeled it round the corner and when they couldn't start it, just torched it.

On cutting chains, I've seen a shipyard worker cut one of these in no more than a couple of minutes with a gas axe.

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[andyscooter]

doesn't really matter as op's bike is made up so no one can steal it anyway
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[Alan1986]

Does the OP even know if it starts yet?
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