The EU Billions?

[Suntan Sid]

Much is being made of the billions of £'s the UK will "save" should there be an out vote!
Obviously you have to take this with a pinch of salt, a politicians lips are moving lies are inevitably eminating.

Will the man on the Clapham omnibus ever see a penny of these savings, whether that be in lower taxes, a cash infusion into infrastructure etc. etc?

Or, as per usual, will the EU billions somehow, magically, disappear into the pockets of various pillars of the community, like Phillip Green, or the shareholders of the contractors for HS2, or any of the other dodgy PFI type bollox, (that the government uses to pay off their party donors), were the money will disappear off to the Cayman Islands, never to be seen again within the bounds of the UK?

I'm thinking the second option seems highly likely.
The chances of ordinary people in the UK seeing any benefit whatsoever amounts to the square root of fcuk all.
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[Itchy]

The problem is the UK is a rent seeking economy rather than a value adding economy.

This is why the Buy to Let is so big in the UK. It is also why the archaic thing called Leasehold still exists in the UK.

Therefore if people have extra money in their pocket all that will happen is that the rentier costs will simply increase and soak up all the extra floating money diverting more of the pie to themselves.

In order to make real change there needs to be a swap to a value adding society so that the pie grows bigger for everybody.


Plus a lot of things the UK government will not fund if the EU doesn't fund them. Adult education is one of them. Last year there was a 50million cut to the JCP fund where unemployed people had basic literacy, maths and ICT paid for by the UK SFA fund. This improved their job prospects.

If the government isn't willing to fund them now. Will they be willing to fund them a departure? Therefore the man in the street loses access.
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[stinkwheel]

I'm absolutely sure the same amount of money will be taken in taxes.

It's just a decision of if you want our politicians to squander it here or for it to be frittered away across the EU.
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[Rob Fzs]

if you want to go on about the lost millions, just check out how much MEP's earn and their expenses and the amount it costs to move the parliament between brussels and strasbourg every month, the whole thing is corrupt, just look at the accounts, they struggle to get them fully signed off when 3/ 4% is down to pure corruption, who would want that?!
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[Jewlio Rides Again LLB]

Don't forget, it pays darling Nige, Paul Nutter MEP, et Al a handsome wage for doing fuck all.

The dole wouldn't pay them as well. Got to keep them in their luxury lifestyles, private plates, etc.
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[dydey90]

Leasehold on houses may be archaic, but it's a requirement on flats due to common areas. My better half works in property law and has told me before about mortgages for flats being knocked back because of all the extra legal hassle if they're on a freehold.
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[Rob Fzs]

[Suntan Sid]

[Jewlio Rides Again LLB]

[charlie74]

IMHO, anyone voting based on just the financials shouldn't bother voting in oolitical votes

if Money is the prime motivator, buy 1 share in each of the major banks and spend your time attending the AGM's and asking them, buy enough and you can influence that too

money especially at this level will always be squandered, even more so when controlled by salaried protected jobsworths, where it is allocated by committee, subject to reviews, and lengthy( and expensive) consultations and with a bias to suit local/national political agenda's

[RhynoCZ]

[Sload]

Not sure why you got negged for that one Sid, still all interesting points to consider
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[Itchy]

[Pigeon]

The deficit might get paid down a little, but then there will be another banking crisis, they will get bailed out/in again and the money will vanish into the private sector.


Presumably some of the money will the soaked up by a new government department / expansion of current one to put together trade deals etc
This will probably involve many bribes and a large increase in our foreign aid budget. I wonder how much will go to European nations...

[Im-a-Ridah]

[Jewlio Rides Again LLB]

I'm not getting paid by the EU when I do nothing but complain about it.

If he's that arsed, he would have stood down and stayed out when he got defeated in the election. Y'know, like he said he would? another politician who goes back on his word
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[Im-a-Ridah]

[Jewlio Rides Again LLB]

[scorps]

Nigel Farage is basically talking himself out of a job if we vote out and he knows that. I admire the bloke for not being afraid to say it how it is.

When you moan about MPs expenses, take a minute out to think about how over 10,000 employees in the European Parliament buildings earn more than our prime minister does, the fact that they have cash thrown at them for just about everything and a nice big posh shopping mall with all the designer names and amenities that your plebs on the streets are not allowed to enter.

Of course they dont want us to leave, if we do, others will follow and who are they going to milk for money if everyone realises how we are being shafted.

I got into a debate over the past month with a remainer friend who has not come back at me after I suggested watching brexit the movie, havent heard from him since actually.
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[Ribenapigeon]

Fact is, in or out of the EU we just don't have enough revenue. The cost of achieving the kind of civilization we imagine for ourselfs is way more than we raise in revenues. https://www.ukpublicrevenue.co.uk/uk_national_revenue_analysis

We have an aging society, industry requires less and less people to be productive and services and infrastructure becomes more and more expensive. No party wants to levy higher taxes or excise duties and nobody wants to pay them anyway. We're fucked.

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[Val]

Actually for each £1 one pound the UK gets back £10:

https://www.facebook.com/BrickwallUK/videos/1172193309466208/

INB4

The leave vote is not related to any facts about immigration or economics or common sense whatsoever. You can't win an argument with Trump, Farage or Boris for that matter.

Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience.
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