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 Posted: 06:50 - 13 Jun 2016  Post subject: Orlanda gay club massacre by White supremacists |
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I'm sure you'll all have heard about the vile murders in an Orlanda gay club carried out by White supremacists. [UPDATE - explanation - Sky's original report was that the suspect(s) were white supremacists, based on absolutely nothing except some twitter chatter]
As an open moderate White, who chose that race after careful reflection and who lives my life by the peaceful and tolerant teaching of the Noble Mein Kampf, I would like to utterly and unequivocally condemn these actions. Further, I will state that I stand in solidarity with the glorious rainbow people who were brutally done in by these subhuman White savages, and I fully and absolutely support their rights and their lifestyle.
I condemn without reservation all White supremacists and their acts, distance myself from them completely and further, I vow to challenge White supremacist views wherever I hear them, and to report any suspected White supremacists to the secula- I mean, to the State authorities.
I invite all moderate Whites to join me in this statement, and more importantly, in taking real, concrete action against the White supremacists who seek to poison our peaceful, loving race with their bestial, mindless, medieval hatred.
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The weird thing is there is blame game going on.
He's Asian (Golden forums refute this). Afghanistan and Uzbekistan aren't Asia.
Yes they are no they're not!
Anyway the White supremacists are most often living in East Asia and quite often like telling local people how inferior they are to white people. Just look at Richard Huckle.
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| Tracey Suntan-King wrote: | Heavy irony is heavy irony. |
Just getting a little tetchy with initial reports that jump straight to Blame Whitey, followed by mealy mouthed "oh, of course we condemn it, but..." refutations from moderate mouthpieces.
| Tracey Suntan-King wrote: | long-term mental illness |
That's one way of viewing it, and probably more effective than incarcerating White supremacists along with more of the same who will just further radicalise them.
I'm not sure how to treat it though. It's pretty hard to heal someone who doesn't view themself as being sick.
So, as it turns out, the Orlando Klan invited this chap to speak: "Death is the sentence. We know there’s nothing to be embarrassed about this, death is the sentence. [...] We have to have that compassion for people, with homosexuals, it's the same, out of compassion, let’s get rid of them now".
But I'm sure that it's got Nothing To Do With White Supremacy.
| Tracey Suntan-King wrote: | Doesn't it illustrate though that ISIS or whatever they're called isn't the organized threat governments portray them as? |
They don't need to be organised to be effective, just persistent and occasionally lucky. Security goons need to be lucky every time.
This is the opposite to how it usually works for law enforcement, and it's a piss poor use of resources to have them just standing around offering nothing but security theatre and more targets.
| Tracey Suntan-King wrote: | The idea that there is an army of black-clad terrorists hiding among us waiting to kill is not true.
Or is it? |
Not an army, at least not on the USA, and probably not in the UK.
Mainland Europe though, they're not far off of it. Bataclan et al was well organised, and one of the shipments coming into Europe that got stopped recently (how many get through?) contained not only arms but uniforms.
Anyway, don't lose any sleep over it, since I'm sure that it will turn out that it's got Nothing To Do With White Supremacy.
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Never is though, is it??
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| RhynoCZ wrote: | Why do people jump to conclusions? |
The conclusion jumped to was "White supremacists".
The story now is: muslim maniac who claimed to be ISIS, has been claimed by ISIS, had been investigated twice for snackbar, and who attended a mosque that hosted an imam who explicitly, clearly, unequivocally promoted the extermination of gay people.
If a hundred, or a thousand, or a million "mentally ill" people all act the same way, what does it matter if they're bad or mad? The result to their victims is much the same either way. Mad is actually worse - you can't wire-tap mis-firing synapses.
What statement, what authority, what admission would satisfy you that this is to do with islam?
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It's incredible how quickly they have established the mentally ill angle so quickly. Even wheeled out his ex wife out for a press conference super quick. Nothing to see here people. Just bad gun laws and a mentalist queer basher.
Rogerborg spot on with the white supremacist flip. There would have been a fiery purge on anyone even remotely suspected of not
flailing themselves for their white privilege and white guilt.
Douglas Murray splains it better than I can.
https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2016/06/cant-ignore-religion-orlando-gay-club-gunman/
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| Reg Tidy wrote: | bad gun laws |
Legally held guns, by a US citizen working as a security guard, who had apparently applied to join the local police.
In a venue where guns were prohibited in order to create a Safe Space. It appears that he gunned down the armed security guard on his way in, because radical with a rifle trumps porky bear with a pink pistol.
You cannot harden every soft target against an insurgency that can choose the time and place of engagement - and I'd like us to be honest and call it that, rather than pander to the "yet another one-off" narrative. Military forces have learned that everywhere where they've had their arses to them in a sling.
This isn't going to be the last of these, not by a long chalk.
| Reg Tidy wrote: | Rogerborg spot on with the white supremacist flip. |
It genuinely aggravates me (not enough to go snackbar, mind). Oh, social media said.
I'm sure large parts of social media were at the same time jumping to the "wrong" conclusion (snackbar), but of course you can't re-publish that, because racist.
But sure, White supremacist, Trump was probably behind it.
On that, I do fully expect to see an article by the end of the day explaining why Trump is to blame, because the tail can wag the dog if you just feel it passionately enough.
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@Wave2k and Ribenapigeon
Well, yes, I get the idea of guns not killing people, but people killing people. And that there is always a way, but I find pulling the trigger very simple and accessible. I've been to a gun range several times and one move of your index finger and a piece of metal is capable of killing several people, just like that. No preparations, no training, just you and your very fecked up thoughts. I'm not a gun expert, but if you have 30 rounds in a semi-automatic rifle and you pull the trigger 30 times, there is a very high chance, 30 people would die or get injured. If you walk somewhere with a knife, the odds are you won't get that ''far'' with your plan.
It all depends on the circumstances obviously. The Czech legal system defines a weapon as anything, that may make your attack more forcible. It does not translate well, but it basically means not just guns and knifes are considered a weapon. Committing a crime with a weapon results in worse sentence.
But we all kind of feel, that having a firearm and being able to harm and/or terminate your target from a certain distance and/or with a cetain celerity, makes the attack easier for the attacker. Yes, if he knew how to make a bomb, he would have made a bomb, but this kind of knowledge, even in the era of the internet, is not common and you don't just buy bombs on the street.
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This gun's good/gun's bad argument is very much a moot point...
Yes a fully automatic assault rifle DOES make dispatching 50 unprepared targets infinitely easier, hundreds of times faster and generally a plausible task for any weak gimp who can buy a gun.
It would be pretty stupid to argue other wise.
Give him a knife and he may get through a few but the difference between seconds and the minutes as well as the proximity he'd need to be to victims would take would give most the time and ability to run through his line of sight to exits etc.
The problem though is in the US there are just too many guns!
Faaarrrrr too many guns...
Make them illegal and only the law abiding citizens will hand them in leaving them vulnerable to anyone with a gun (quiet a lot of people no doubt).
I seriously doubt there is any plausible way of disarming (feel free to prove me wrong though) 'murica due to its vast size and ample weapon distribution without there being a period where honest people will be left helpless.
Uber rage, Delusional madness or madness with added snackbar, there will always be shootings across 'murica. Constantly going back to this gun control argument takes focus from the root causes of these attacks.
Having grown up in an armed society I can tell you I'm a lot more comfortable not living in one.
I love guns, really awesome...
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| skatefreak wrote: | The problem though is in the US there are just too many guns!
Faaarrrrr too many guns...
Make them illegal and only the law abiding citizens will hand them in leaving them vulnerable to anyone with a gun (quiet a lot of people no doubt). |
| Terry Pratchett, Night Watch wrote: | Weapons were involved in so many crimes that, Swing reasoned, reducing the number of weapons had to reduce the crime rate.
Vimes wondered if he'd sat up in bed in the middle of the night and hugged himself when he'd dreamed that one up. Confiscate all weapons, and crime would go down. It made sense.
It would have worked, too, if only there had been enough coppers - say, three per citizen.
Amazingly, quite a few weapons were handed in. The flaw, though, was one that had somehow managed to escape Swing, and it was this: criminal don't obey the law. It's more of less a requirement for the job. They had no particular interest in making the streets safer for anyone except themselves. And they couldn't believe what was happening. It was like Hogswatch every day.
Some citizens took the not unreasonable view that something had gone a bit askew if only naughty people were carrying arms. And they got arrested in large numbers. The average copper, when he's been kicked in the nadgers once too often and has reason to believe that his bosses don't much care, has an understandable tendency to prefer to arrest those people who won't instantly try to stab him, especially if they act a bit snotty and wear more expensive clothes than he personally can afford. The rate of arrests shot right up, and Swing had been very pleased about that. |
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| skatefreak wrote: | I love guns, really awesome...
Until someone else has one pointing at you and your family |
At which point, you of course say "Good heavens, I'm glad I'm not armed, or else things might get really unpleasant."
Against a mugger, maybe. But surrender is not an option against snackbar.
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