Need help for a new security setup, KTM 690 SMC-R stolen

[zorn64]

Hi All

My KTM 690 smc was stolen 2 weeks ago. As i'm from Switzerland i was foolish and didnt secure my bike properly. The result is they stole my bike in front of my parkway. I was about to buy a chain but the thieves were faster. I had a Datatool S3 red installed but apparently nobody heard the alarm, i guess they lifted the bike in a van and managed to deactivate the alarm?

However luckily i had insurance and they are paying me out and this time i will not do the same mistake and i decided to buy an almax III chain/lock combo and the pragmasis Torc ground anchor.

As i keep the bike on the driveway i'm not sure if this is enough security. I'm living in a high risk area and a 690SMC-R are probably very popular among thieves. I also can't afford an insurance with theft included as the price will double and the excess too high!! My plan is to go for only third party, safe 1000 pounds and invest this into proper security.

What for other measurements do you suggest to secure my bike? Is a CCTV really helpful? What about alarms? What kind of alarms should i go for?

Thanks for all the help

I hope they will never get my bike again!

[Itchy]

Simple, keep your bike where it is. Sit and wait in the dark with your Sig552 when they come remember your military training!

Joking aside.

Alarms are only useful if you hear them. Everywhere I've lived and worked people hear an alarm they stop and listen/look for if it is their own if it isn't they carry on.

You want to keep your bike hidden as much as possible as what people don't know is there they can't steal this may involve bringing your bike INTO your house. So a bike cover might be in order.

Ground anchors you've already considered. Maybe an SMS tracker device and a second ground anchor in the form of a block of concrete.
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[andyscooter]

Buy a bike you can AFFORD TO INSURE PROPERLY

what if you crash into someone ,you wont get paid so no bike again

also buy the locks you are looking at to make sure it doesn't get taken from your house

what happens when you are out somewhere

if someone nicks it then by lifting into a van if there doesn't happen to be anything to secure it to again then
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[JoeDaStudd]

Make sure the chain goes through the frame as wheels can be removed fairly easily.

If you don't already get a cover or shed to put the bike in.
You can hook alarms up the a cover/shed easily and adds another deterrent.
Security lights and CCTV will also help.

Basically anything you can do which makes the theft take longer and more obvious.

[P.addy]

Spending 1k on security means you can afford theft insurance.

You want a 19mm almax. Take a 16mm too and carry that around to secure it when you are away.

[zorn64]

@Itchy - Totally agree, the most people don't care if a bike gets stolen and alarm is on. Unfortunately i can't take my bike into my house and my SIG552 i had to leave at home

@Andyscooter a full insurance cover would cost me around 3000£, thats not an option for me

@JoeDaStudd are CCTV really useful? I mean the most thieves will wear a helmet and you can't identify i suppose?

@Paddy I'm not spending 1K on security... but would definitely have the budget for it. I ordered a 16 almax as you can see in my original post, i guess this is enough? Again, insurance would be too expensive, i have done my DAS last month and the insurance is charging me around 1800 with theft after the recent loss (1000£ excess??) the costs are just too high for a 4000£ bike.

Is there anyone in this forum who has a bike on the driveway on a high risk area?? How do you secure it? Was it ever stolen or does your security setup work?

I'm also interested in Alarms... what are the best alarms which doesn't cost tooo much? (good price/perfomance).
I was also thinking on installing a cheap GPS tracker. But the idea is to secure it sooo good, that it's almost not possible to steal it.

Anyone an idea?

[Ste]

Get a 19mm Almax instead of a girly little 16mm one.

You could use a bike cover to keep it slightly out of sight.

£3k for fully comp? Do some shopping around and also get quotes for TPFT.

What are the best alarms which don't cost too much? The best alarm is one that you're going to hear.

[zorn64]

Hi Ste

Why should i get a 19mm? The 16mm you can't break it with a cropper or anything else, maybe a hydraulic cutter will work. Look here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ozppzywsLsk.

Why should i get then a 19mm one? It's much expensiver and thicker, heavier and at the end both are un-croppable.

Chains are about hardness which you can only measure with the rockwell scale. One of the hardest chains is the Pewag 12mm chain. It has an unbelievable Hardness of 63HRC, this is so extremely hard that you don't even make scratches in there. Pretty much undestroyable, after i will receive this chain from the US, i will sell my Almax. It's not about girly or manly chains.

Ste can you suggest a good alarm?

[Ste]

Chains are about hardness but you also want them to look massive enough that thieves aren't going to even try.

So a Pewag 12mm chain with a hardness of 63HRC isn't as much of a deterrent as the biggest Almax chain is.

I'd suggest a cheap alarm from eBay as nobody paid any attention to your last alarm so it's not worth spending much on IMO.

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[BTTD]

Can you rent a lock up garage anywhere locally?

I've seen rape alarms on covers suggested before, anyone removes the cover sets off the alarm. Simple, cheap. No idea if actually very effective.
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If I was in a high risk area with no theft insurance, I would be looking at a proper tracker as well as ground anchors and chains.

[c_dug]

Skipped most of this thread so apologies if it's already been mentioned.

Alongside a good chain, the only security I'd have any faith in is a biketrac tracker. I've personally witnessed one in use as I'm the emergency call number on a friends account, he'd moved it less than a foot without the key in the ignition, and I was called within 5 minutes. They had already tried to call him twice before me, but couldn't get through as he was working on the bike!

My money would go on a monitored tracker over an alarm every single time.
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[Cadbury]

As you mention a ground anchor, I guess there's no problem making other aditions? Have you thought about maybe installing a gate at the end of the driveway? I realise that doesn't make it Fort knox, but It gives a clearly visible deterent, it's lockable and is another physical barrier which makes it trickier to lift a bike away without more effort.

[Ste]

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Park it high on a hill and get this Chap to look after it.
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[Commuter_Tim]

2 Ground anchors, the 16 and 19mm, job jobbed.
If they take it then, you're truly fucked.
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[stevo as b4]

Your home is one of the most risky places to leave a bike parked outside all the time IMO. They only have to wait for you to go out and leave the bike, and they have no interruptions generally to doing whatever they need to do to steal the bike. A big thick chain that can't be got into the jaws of croppers and a solid concreted in ground anchor is a minimum IMO.

Covering the bike could help or hinder, but often it's worth having a good tie down cover especially if it keeps your bike dry too, as it's doing two jobs.

Alarms are OK if you're there when they go off, but pointless otherwise. Oh and itchy's suggestion of having some leathal defensive weapons is a good and helpful one. It'll tend to be one or two groups of people that want to steal your bike from home under your nose, as it takes some balls. Not everyman and his dog is going to venture onto your property to have a go at taking your bike. If you can catch and disable any theives in action that do try to have a go it's unlikely that you'll have lots of repeat attempts once it's known that harm was done to someone trying to take the bike.

I'm not saying have guns or knives or an axe by your front door, or not admitting to anyway, but having handy weapons and being prepared to jump up and use them is a good last resort. For this to work best you would be better off with a baby monitor or silent alarm that wakes you up quietly in the the night so you you can respond as quietly as possible until your in striking distance of the people you want to attack.

[Amber Phoenix]

Like yourself I'm in a high risk area, Romford, RM9 postcode, F * risk (that's short for F*** good luck keeping hold of it!)
And similarly I only have front drive to park my bike on, middle of terrace house, with no rear access (oooh-err).

I've a Pragmasis 16mm chain, Squire padlock which I carry everywhere.
I've a Torc anchor in driveway.
Bike has a Meta 357Tv2 alarm/immobiliser.
I've some cheap Maplin CCTV up.
And I always keep a cover over bike.

In 4 years, I've only had 1 rain cover pinched, 3 weeks after I first started parking the bike on drive (which triggered me installing the CCTV).

The difference: I'm riding a shitty commuter hack, a tatty 13 year old Fazer barely worth £1.5k. I pay £200/yr ish TPFT.

I hate to say it, but the fecking thieving scum of the world have made it impossible for decent folk to own a nice bike unless you live in the sticks, have a locked garage and happy with an insane excess. Blame who you like, but this is sadly how it is these days.
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[Snowdonia Rider]

Put the money an alarm would cost towards a proper chain and ground anchor. This thread is more proof alarms are useless. If an alarm goes off when do you ever see anyone looking towards it?
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[zorn64]

@Arfe__
Interesting post. I'm considering now also installing a CCTV but tbh you just need a helmet or to hide your face? Easy game for thieves.

I will try to buy a cheap 690 SMC and hope they will not be too interested. But however, Pragmasis torc, 16mm Almax chain + Squire padlock are almost impossible to cut or destroy. Maybe a hydraulic cutter would be the only costy option?

@Stevo as b4
Agree, i was thinking on buying a baseball bat! But you need to watch out... the thieves can also have weapons... sometimes even knives...

[Amber Phoenix]

[c_dug]

I live in the same general area as Arfa. In my previous place on a main road, I had 3 thefts in 4 years. Now I'm tucked away on a side street, I'm yet to have a bike pinched.

I never use any form of security, not even a cover.

I still stick by my recommendation of a biketrac mind. When I own something worth caring about, I'll have a biketrac and an Almax, and that'll keep me satisfied that I've done what I can.
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Chain a big fucking dog to it. Only partly joking.
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[andyscooter]

I'm still confused as why would anyone replaces a nicked (supermoto thief magnet)
With another one

Buy a slightly different type of bike


I like scooters but wouldn't consider buying one in London if op ved there as would be more haßle then it's worth
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