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shdaxner
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PostPosted: 21:47 - 17 Jun 2016    Post subject: Padlock recommendation for garage defender. Reply with quote
So I have recently installed a garage defender and the two padlocks which are supplied are beyond useless, I am wanting recommendations for a couple of padlocks which will not break the bank but actually afford some protection?

I have a ground anchor inside the garage which the bike is locked too with an oxford chain and oxford d lock and I will also be purchasing an alarm too so this is not the only protection I will be using.
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PostPosted: 22:15 - 17 Jun 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote
What is the circumference of the shackle on the supplied padlocks? What is the circumference of the hole the shackle locks through on the defender? Abloy 362 or 342, Squire SS65CS or SS50CS are what I would use if they will fit. Have a gander on the bay of e. Thumbs Up I would ditch the Oxford D lock for a 362 or SS65CS if they will fit your chain.
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PostPosted: 22:17 - 17 Jun 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote
Diameter is more relevant and easy to measure than circumference. How do you mean "They are useless", are they easy to pick or snap? I would say it is hard to get an angle grinder or croppers in due to the surrounding metal. You will never make your garage thief proof, all you can ever do is make it more thief proof than next door.
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PostPosted: 23:06 - 17 Jun 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote
Joncrete Cungle wrote:
What is the circumference of the shackle on the supplied padlocks? What is the circumference of the hole the shackle locks through on the defender? Abloy 362 or 342, Squire SS65CS or SS50CS are what I would use if they will fit. Have a gander on the bay of e. Thumbs Up I would ditch the Oxford D lock for a 362 or SS65CS if they will fit your chain.


I didn't really want to spend that much to be honest....any alternatives which are more wallet friendly?

Ariel Badger wrote:
Diameter is more relevant and easy to measure than circumference. How do you mean "They are useless", are they easy to pick or snap? I would say it is hard to get an angle grinder or croppers in due to the surrounding metal. You will never make your garage thief proof, all you can ever do is make it more thief proof than next door.


When I say they are useless I mean I could probably force them open with a knife and fork....they are make from cheese and there are gaps between the plates. I know it is never going to be completely secure but like you say, I want to make it secure as possible without spending the earth....if they have to make a load of noise getting into the garage to then have to make a load of noise getting through the chain/lock and the alarm going off then hopefully this will be enough to do the job.
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PostPosted: 23:24 - 17 Jun 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote
So tell us your budget, people think locks are the weak link but if I was going to hit that I would hit it elsewhere like hinges or just ripping the door off.
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PostPosted: 07:27 - 18 Jun 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote
And you've now made every thief think there's something in there worth having.

Any security you add to a garage door should be as inconspicuous as possible IMO.
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PostPosted: 09:35 - 18 Jun 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote
If your budget is about £30 then I'd suggest keeping the current padlocks, and spend the money on a pair of Enfield locks:

https://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=321037048220

Granted, it'll be a bit of a fuss dealing with four locks to deal to get access, but that applies to Pikey McThief as well.
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PostPosted: 15:20 - 18 Jun 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote
Go on ebay and look at sold listings to get an idea of what you can get the padlocks for. Ignore the chancers with the pie in the sky buy it now prices.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_sacat=0&LH_Complete=1&LH_Sold=1&_nkw=abloy+342&_sop=15

https://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?_odkw=abloy+342&_sop=15&LH_Complete=1&LH_Sold=1&_osacat=0&_from=R40&_trksid=p2045573.m570.l1313.TR2.TRC1.A0.H0.Xabloy+362.TRS0&_nkw=abloy+362&_sacat=0

https://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?_odkw=abloy+362&_sop=15&LH_Complete=1&LH_Sold=1&_osacat=0&_from=R40&_trksid=p2045573.m570.l1311.R1.TR3.TRC2.A0.H0.Xsquire+ss.TRS0&_nkw=squire+ss65cs&_sacat=0

https://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?_odkw=squire+ss65cs&_sop=15&LH_Complete=1&LH_Sold=1&_osacat=0&_from=R40&_trksid=p2045573.m570.l1313.TR0.TRC0.H0.Xsquire+ss50cs.TRS0&_nkw=squire+ss50cs&_sacat=0
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PostPosted: 21:32 - 19 Jun 2016    Post subject: Re: Padlock recommendation for garage defender. Reply with quote
shdaxner wrote:
the two padlocks which are supplied are beyond useless,

bike is locked too with an oxford chain and oxford d lock

purchasing an alarm too so this is not the only protection I will be using.


So you are skimping on new padlocks, yet have already skimped on the chain and locks Rolling Eyes

Alarm on bike.... Don't waste your time. Better off getting a decent alarm on garage Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 22:31 - 19 Jun 2016    Post subject: Re: Padlock recommendation for garage defender. Reply with quote
iooi wrote:
shdaxner wrote:
the two padlocks which are supplied are beyond useless,

bike is locked too with an oxford chain and oxford d lock

purchasing an alarm too so this is not the only protection I will be using.


So you are skimping on new padlocks, yet have already skimped on the chain and locks Rolling Eyes

Alarm on bike.... Don't waste your time. Better off getting a decent alarm on garage Thumbs Up


To be honest the chain and lock were what the stealer sold me when I bought my Keeway 125...maybe not what I would of bought had I looked into it but that being said, I am going for an all round setup so there is lots of hurdles for any would be thief rather than 1 large one....the chain and lock will certainly be something I will be upgrading over time once all other security is in place.

Oh and the garage is alarmed already.
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PostPosted: 12:23 - 20 Jun 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote
Wafer_Thin_Ham wrote:
And you've now made every thief think there's something in there worth having.

Any security you add to a garage door should be as inconspicuous as possible IMO.


Completely agree. Nothing says nice bikes like a big red garage defender. I'd rather leave my bike in a garage without one.
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PostPosted: 21:39 - 20 Jun 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote
bluezedd wrote:
Wafer_Thin_Ham wrote:
And you've now made every thief think there's something in there worth having.

Any security you add to a garage door should be as inconspicuous as possible IMO.


Completely agree. Nothing says nice bikes like a big red garage defender. I'd rather leave my bike in a garage without one.


I'm in two minds about this to be honest, any farmer and his dog can watch me get the bike out and put the bike away so it will be no secret that there is a bike kept in there.

I have also bought the White garage defender purposefully so that it matches my white garage door as best as it can....the garage is at the end of my drive which is only around 6 metres long with decent street lighting and an infra red light above the garage for when it senses movement, It's never going to be Fort Knox but I am after a set up which provides lots of hurdles for any would be thief.

Anyway, after looking at the amount of space the defender allows for and the way you have to fit the lock it seems that only a round disc padlock would suit so I will buy a couple of decent quality disc locks and use them.

The chain and padlock is certainly going to be my focus next as it's going to be the final port of call for any attempting thief, just a quick one on that though, am I best with a chain which is tight or a chain which is loose maybe even trailing on the floor? My current chain I normally wrap round the swing arm and through the wheel through 2 different spokes and the chain is tight....so tight that if I am more than an inch away from the ground anchor it does not physically fit, is this best or should I have a longer chain?
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PostPosted: 22:13 - 20 Jun 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote
iooi wrote:
So you are skimping on new padlocks, yet have already skimped on the chain and locks Rolling Eyes
bluezedd wrote:
Nothing says nice bikes like a big red garage defender. I'd rather leave my bike in a garage without one.

Fair points. Personally i'd still rather go with a garage defender though as the main defence; with a decent lock that is.

I've used quite an obvious one the last 6+ years and its been clearly attacked on a couple of occasions (not sure to what extent), but its kept them out so far.

I used to also Almax/Ground anchor it at the last garage which was in a very dodgy area, but i've stopped bothering with either now. I figure if they have the time and tools to manage to get past the garage defender without making enough noise to wake me and the neighbourhood up, they'll almost certainly have the time and tools to shut the garage door back down behind them and cut the chain off in a minute or two, whether its an Almax or Oxford.
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