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PostPosted: 15:29 - 24 Jun 2016    Post subject: So this whole referendum thing, how will it affect us? Reply with quote

So no Euro x engine requirements?
If so Can I haz 2-strokes plox?

Do we need the silly EU inspired Ax licences?

What else will be affected?
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PostPosted: 15:39 - 24 Jun 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nothing.
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PostPosted: 15:56 - 24 Jun 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nothing's going to change for around two years apart from the French giving us the cold shoulder Very Happy So no, nothing.
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PostPosted: 16:04 - 24 Jun 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

It will take years to decide what, if any, legislation requires changing for the benefit of the UK as a country. The fact is though we will still adhere to all current legislation, and we are unlikely to make any drastic changes that would be seen as a backwards step in the eyes of the majority. For example, I work in an industry governed by EU driving regulations. I doubt very much that we will renounce these regulations as they are seen as a way of stopping drivers from over doing it and making a liability of themselves behind the wheel. We may however look to abolish the working time directive which works against the EU driving regulations. That is the sort of convoluted beaurocracy that could be untangled now we are 'separate', but it would take years.
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PostPosted: 16:34 - 24 Jun 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why would the French give us the cold shoulder??
They are our biggest alli in all of this, and we are closer to them than the rest of Europe. We are also physically connected by a tube too.

We've both been though some pretty nasty terrorism shit lately, I feel for them and we can be stronger together. When they get thier vote to leave the EU, they can boat off all the scum in the camps, close their borders down with Europe and we can all go up and down the tunnel for shopping trips, lunch in Paris and spare parts runs for bike parts etc.

I didn't vote for the city or economics or for what the 18yr olds future will be like. Iwont be here, but whilst I am getting rid of a few million people to make congestion and travel easier, and allow British benefits to be paid to British people is what I'm passionate about.

We are not finished as a wealthy trading nation, we will survive and prosper eventually, and we don't need EU funding for things we have no say in. The ship is sinking because Brussels drilled holes all over it trying to welcome penniless outsiders to join a club that should only ever have been the biggest 6-8 countries and contributors, and they should have been accepted on what they can bring into it in terms of wealth, goods, and valuable resources.

Glad we are out, it's just a shame we had to do this to have one last go at making Britain British again and not a faceless country in fear of saying anything, because it'll rock the melting pot with the bubbling scum on the top.

Besides if doing this can't fix fucked Britain, that's lost its balls and identity and everything it once stood for Then where can we all go to escape the place that we have lost to migrant scum that have more say than we do?

The Aussie's rightly won't have us, and there's few places left in the world for Brits to be accepted and allowed to be ourselves.
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PostPosted: 16:48 - 24 Jun 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, people going on the annual euro-jaunt will have to apply for and receive a visa for every country they plan on visiting and will have to pay an extortionate amount for health insurance, for starters.
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PostPosted: 17:06 - 24 Jun 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

stevo as b4 wrote:
Why would the French give us the cold shoulder??
They are our biggest alli in all of this, and we are closer to them than the rest of Europe. We are also physically connected by a tube too.


French people might be our "bon amie's" but the officialdom isn't

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/650120/France-ferries-Calais-migrants-Britain-hours-EU-out-vote-referendum-Brexit

I would expect nothing but a hardline stance from any Eurocrat, as to show weakness will just encourage and enrage the other member states and populace
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PostPosted: 17:25 - 24 Jun 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's OK put them on ferries, there's alot of things that can go wrong in deep stormy seas!
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PostPosted: 18:46 - 24 Jun 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nobby the Bastard wrote:
Well, people going on the annual euro-jaunt will have to apply for and receive a visa for every country they plan on visiting and will have to pay an extortionate amount for health insurance, for starters.


When does your crystal ball predict this will happen? Mine predicts it won't.
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PostPosted: 19:02 - 24 Jun 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Pick one of the ninety-eleven other threads about this and jump straight in.
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PostPosted: 19:56 - 24 Jun 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

jnw010 wrote:
Nobby the Bastard wrote:
Well, people going on the annual euro-jaunt will have to apply for and receive a visa for every country they plan on visiting and will have to pay an extortionate amount for health insurance, for starters.


When does your crystal ball predict this will happen? Mine predicts it won't.


The EU insist on freedom of movement, which is why youi don't need visas to travel to europe.

It also insists on reciprical health care arrangements, which is why you don't need health insurance.

Remove the membership to the EU and these two things will be needed.

Are you one of the people who believed Boris?

Edit: You wouldn't necessesarily need health insurance, but if you fall over and break your leg you'll risk bankrupting yourself.
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PostPosted: 20:17 - 24 Jun 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think it's deluded to think anyone's chosen hobby that's been watered down by the EU (bikes/cars/vaping/etc) will suddenly lose all the annoying legislation.

I bet the first stuff to go will be things like agency workers rights and working time directive. Basically all the stuff the fat cats never wanted in the first place.

So you will be worked to death, fired and still not ride a new 2 smoke.
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PostPosted: 21:13 - 24 Jun 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nobby the Bastard wrote:

The EU insist on freedom of movement, which is why youi don't need visas to travel to europe.



That's wrong. You don't need a visit to travel to Morocco, Argentina, Chile, Peru, USA and countless other countries. Being part of the EU has nothing to do with that.

You also mentioned health insurance, presumably you think the EHIC wouldn't be valid anymore, but again that's not an EU thing either.
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PostPosted: 10:08 - 25 Jun 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

c-m wrote:
Nobby the Bastard wrote:

The EU insist on freedom of movement, which is why youi don't need visas to travel to europe.



That's wrong. You don't need a visit to travel to Morocco, Argentina, Chile, Peru, USA and countless other countries. Being part of the EU has nothing to do with that.



Thats because we have reciprical arrangements with those countries. We would have to agree a reciprical agreement with the EU to avoid having to apply for visas. Guess what the EU would insist on?

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You also mentioned health insurance, presumably you think the EHIC wouldn't be valid anymore, but again that's not an EU thing either.


The EHIC is one of the benefits of being part of the EU. Leave the EU, loose the right to the benefits.
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PostPosted: 10:25 - 25 Jun 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 14:33 - 26 Jun 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nobby the Bastard wrote:


Thats because we have reciprical arrangements with those countries. We would have to agree a reciprical agreement with the EU to avoid having to apply for visas. Guess what the EU would insist on?


The EHIC is one of the benefits of being part of the EU. Leave the EU, loose the right to the benefits.


We'd have reciprocal agreement with eu countries. There is no chance at all that UK nationals will need a visa to holiday in Spain or visa-versa. None whatsoever. Our visa free travel to many of these countries predates the EU.

The EHIC is not an EU intuitive its an EEA one hence Iceland and Switzerland are part of the scheme. Regardless, the UK has reciprocal health agreements with a number countries some of which are in the EU, these will still be binding. Those outside Europe include Australia and New Zealand.

Furthermore, the UK has paid £5.8bn more to EU countries for medical costs than the other way around, so it's in the EU/EEA countries interest to continue this.

In any case the EHIC only guarantees that you'll pay the same costs as a local, so it's often better to take out your own insurance. This can be had for as little as £6.

Now, on to biking stuff, it's likely we'll end up with the same specced bikes, with ABS still being mandatory. I can't see the Government going back any of that as it's a 'safety issue'. We might eventually get a different test, but again I doubt that. We're signed up to the 3rd directive, which you don't need to be in the EU to do. This is why our insurance still covered us third party in Croatia even when it wasn't in the EEA or EU.
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PostPosted: 14:41 - 26 Jun 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

c-m wrote:


We'd have reciprocal agreement with eu countries. There is no chance at all that UK nationals will need a visa to holiday in Spain or visa-versa. None whatsoever. Our visa free travel to many of these countries predates the EU.

The EHIC is not an EU intuitive its an EEA one hence Iceland and Switzerland are part of the scheme. Regardless, the UK has reciprocal health agreements with a number countries some of which are in the EU, these will still be binding. Those outside Europe include Australia and New Zealand.

Furthermore, the UK has paid £5.8bn more to EU countries for medical costs than the other way around, so it's in the EU/EEA countries interest to continue this.

In any case the EHIC only guarantees that you'll pay the same costs as a local, so it's often better to take out your own insurance. This can be had for as little as £6.

Now, on to biking stuff, it's likely we'll end up with the same specced bikes, with ABS still being mandatory. I can't see the Government going back any of that as it's a 'safety issue'. We might eventually get a different test, but again I doubt that. We're signed up to the 3rd directive, which you don't need to be in the EU to do. This is why our insurance still covered us third party in Croatia even when it wasn't in the EEA or EU.



So, you are saying that voting to leave the EU will have no effect on the number of people coming to the uk to use the NHS, then?
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PostPosted: 23:11 - 26 Jun 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

As a spaniard who has lived here for 14 yeas I am curious to kno who in their right mind would want to travel to be treated in the NHS.
It might have had a glorious history but after the constant looting made by tories and new labour the NHS is borderline pathetic.
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PostPosted: 09:22 - 27 Jun 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

daifuco wrote:
I am curious to know who in their right mind would want to travel to be treated in the NHS


migrants from countries with no free health system

unfortunately the NHS will treat first and then ask for payment later, in the middle of the night "patawayo" will discharge himself never to be seen again
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PostPosted: 13:33 - 27 Jun 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

OK, well, on a personal level, even before we actually leave ..

Prices will rise, the £ has snowballed, the price of oil is relatively stable .. the effect ..

    Higher fuel prices (almost an immediate side effect)
    Higher energy prices, as gas will also cost more
    Higher food & commodity prices, because of the above.
    Higher cost of vehicles, including motorbikes, we have to import most of them, especially motorbikes, and the £ is already worth so much less.
    Inflation will rise, because of the above
    Pensions decreasing in value, stock market in almost freeefall
    Rise in anti racial/right wing 'legitimised' behaviour
    Public services will be cut further.


I'm sure there will be more, but the above is without us actaully having done anything at all, we have not left the eu, or even formally started the process !

After we leave, then, there is lack of opportunity for your children or grand children, both at home and in the eu. We will lose jobs, companies are already saying as much, and are even putting figures on it. Our standard of living will decrease, and already has started as such since the referendum result.

I really and honestly do hope I wrong, but, I think our children & grand children's generations will look back at ours and say we really f*****d them over !! They will have less work place safeguards and so on, just why do you think Dyson wanted to leave, afterall, Dyson only design their products over here, they're made in Malaysia, but, if he get get rid of those pesky eu policies, he can make it more economical to build the products over here, and not have to pay for shipping, afterall, with those safeguards removed, why pay workers over here, any more than they do in Malaysia?
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PostPosted: 14:11 - 27 Jun 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

NHS is failing because -

In no particular order.

There's a seemingly endless flow of health tourists that are never pursued for payment despite more office based NHS
staff than ever. How can this be? I bet there isn't even a debt recovery team. You can owe the NHS thousands and never hear from them again
Yet if you don't pay for your 150 quid TV licence, and they send the four horsemen of the apocalypse after you. Laughing

It's as wasteful as fuck. I have on my mantlepiece 4 different letters informing me of an appointment at the dental hospital
and four more cancelling each one of those. I get appointment, a week later it gets cancelled, x4
Somebody was paid to type those out and send them, the paper wasn't free, nor was the envelope or the postage.
As things stand currently I have no appointment or the remotest idea when I will be seen. It's only taken since February to get this far.
This is the tiniest tip of a disgracefully large iceberg. But when any service is run on that lovely 'free' money called tax, efficiency seems secondary.

(Obviously excluding accidents/emergencies where victim is rushed in and about to die or cannot communicate)
It doesn't go to any real lengths to determine identity or check
entitlement before treatment or indeed lengthy courses of treatment commence. The clue is in the title.
It's a National Health Service if it was run as such it would have more money.

It panders to religious nutters far too much, if you are sick and in hospital receiving free treatment, picking and
choosing what way your room faces or insisting on special dietary requirements to sate the ego of
<insert name of pretend sky fairy> here is unacceptable, if you want to eat halal chicken, then have one of your
nearest and dearest provide that, or go private and pay for special treatment. It is not the problem of the NHS.

Its really a counterpart of the DSS these days. They are counter reliant. DSS keeps the NHS busy. NHS keeps the DSS busy.
Each justifying the existence of the other. Remove either one, the other would die soon after. Unfortunately
the DSS is even worse for pandering to bleaters, especially 'poorly' ones. The number of NHS 'customers' the DSS
generates is staggering. Sick note city out there.

It's a political football. If it was private, then it couldn't be used as such a devisive manipulator of those reliant on it
to pay their bills. Regardless of what side of the counter they are on.
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PostPosted: 16:41 - 27 Jun 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Our willies are going to fall off and we're going to start growing hair on our tongues.
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PostPosted: 17:07 - 27 Jun 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Meef wrote:
Our willies are going to fall off and we're going to start growing hair on our tongues.


Start sharing that on Facebook and most will believe it. Laughing
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PostPosted: 17:19 - 27 Jun 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

grr666 wrote:
If it was private, then it couldn't be used as such a devisive manipulator of those reliant on it
to pay their bills. Regardless of what side of the counter they are on.


If it was private its first priority would be to the shareholders, not the sick.
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PostPosted: 20:09 - 27 Jun 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dave70 wrote:
Start sharing that on Facebook and most will believe it. Laughing


It's a tragically funny truth. So many petitions are up now for various things, and its being plastered all over Facebook. My favourite one is "Make the national lottery do a re-draw if I don't win".

Kind of entertaining though I must admit. Laughing
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