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PostPosted: 19:16 - 24 Jun 2016    Post subject: Re: Have you noticed a difference riding with camera? Reply with quote

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For those people who got a camera on their helmet, have you noticed a difference how drivers treat you? Are they more careful, more considerate when you are with a cam on your helmet? I am looking to buy one, more of an accident prevention tool rather than to film an accident (if that makes sense). Rolling Eyes


It makes a little difference, but not as much as you would hope. Sometimes people stay a bit further back from you, sometimes they come closer just because you have a camera and they want to prove they're not scared of you. Sometimes it's funny when people start being cocky with you without realising you have a camera and then you turn your head and the camera comes into view, face drop is priceless Laughing

Short version... No it doesn't prevent accidents, it just gives you the evidence you'll need. (Providing you were in the right in the first place).
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PostPosted: 19:18 - 24 Jun 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Are folks getting a reduction on their insurance premiums for using cameras, like we're seeing with car insurance/dash cams?
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PostPosted: 19:22 - 24 Jun 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Doesn't make a difference at all, do you really think car drivers are really observant enough to spot a camera, when they miss whole the whole f'ing bike Razz

Pedestrians and other bikers notice it, normally just ends up with a bit of a stare, or someone shouting something.
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PostPosted: 19:39 - 24 Jun 2016    Post subject: Re: Have you noticed a difference riding with camera? Reply with quote

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Sometimes it's funny when people start being cocky with you without realising you have a camera and then you turn your head and the camera comes into view, face drop is priceless Laughing

If anything, I think this alone would be worth it for me Very Happy
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PostPosted: 19:41 - 24 Jun 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

with other road users makes no difference at all, other than sometimes my dirt bike friends act up for the camera and if I'm lucky fall off in a puddle
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PostPosted: 19:59 - 24 Jun 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

I still don't understand the need th or everyone to be helmet or dash cam'd up though. At least not until insurance stipulates it as mandatory anyway.

If you do have an off, your probably going to Knacker the thing at your own cost to replace.

In my day having a camera fitted to a bike was only ever for going out to be total loonie and ride like a moron for film. That's why I think there's still a negative stigma attached to having a camera on your bike, and I can see some people dropping themselves right in the shit by having them.
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PostPosted: 20:15 - 24 Jun 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

stevo as b4 wrote:
I still don't understand the need th or everyone to be helmet or dash cam'd up though. At least not until insurance stipulates it as mandatory anyway.

If you do have an off, your probably going to Knacker the thing at your own cost to replace.

In my day having a camera fitted to a bike was only ever for going out to be total loonie and ride like a moron for film. That's why I think there's still a negative stigma attached to having a camera on your bike, and I can see some people dropping themselves right in the shit by having them.

If people told the truth there would be no need for one. I've yet to knock my head during an off/crash, but wrecking the camera isn't what worries me, its more what the camera/mount does in terms of compromising the helmet.
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PostPosted: 20:37 - 24 Jun 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Doesn't make a difference when I'm riding tbh. I ride with and without it sometimes.
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PostPosted: 20:51 - 24 Jun 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

stevo as b4 wrote:
I still don't understand the need th or everyone to be helmet or dash cam'd up though. At least not until insurance stipulates it as mandatory anyway.

If you do have an off, your probably going to Knacker the thing at your own cost to replace.

In my day having a camera fitted to a bike was only ever for going out to be total loonie and ride like a moron for film. That's why I think there's still a negative stigma attached to having a camera on your bike, and I can see some people dropping themselves right in the shit by having them.


I got knocked off my bike in London on the way to work at low speed, I ended up on the bonnet of the car and the bike hit the deck. As I picked the bike up off the floor and I assumed the car driver was pulling over to a safe place he just drove off.

I didn't see the number plate but if I had a camera on me chances are it would have got a shot of it and I may have had a chance of a claim.
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PostPosted: 21:04 - 24 Jun 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

M.C wrote:
or someone shouting something.


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PostPosted: 21:25 - 24 Jun 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

i dont own a camera and dont personaly know anyone who does.
but if the you tube evidence is to be taken at face value.
it would appear that having a camera makes you.
A.ride like you are looking for a crash.
B.get angry at stuff that you should have seen a mile off.
C.think it makes the crash hurt less because you are in the right.
D.post really dull vids on you tube.
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PostPosted: 21:35 - 24 Jun 2016    Post subject: Re: Have you noticed a difference riding with camera? Reply with quote

AAABBBCCC wrote:
I am looking to buy one, more of an accident prevention tool


Go take a cold shower, come back, and read what you've just wrote.

A camera isn't going to prevent you from having an accident and you'd be a fool to think it would, I don't even see how it could to be honest.. unless you wish to expand your current mind set with this comment via a response to help clear things up. Spending the money on training with a local school would go way further towards achieving your comment than a camera.

In regards to cameras it's worth noting that they have a fish eye lens and at the best of times I've watched footage back when small things have happened and they look like non events. The footage isn't true playback of what happened.. to a degree. I wouldn't bank on it entirely as "oh I got you on camera m8 your in for it" if you crash.

I've ridden with one for so long I don't know if there's a difference. In truth I'm never close enough for a long enough period of time to notice. When I'm slowly riding around in retail / car parks I've noticed people looking at it but that's about it. I've had questions from passers by interested in its purpose and if its a camera and that's about it.

I feel naked without one but I've no idea why. Delete the footage at the end of the day and charge it up ready for another days riding and that's all the attention it gets. If I've just sat doing several miles of commuting the last thing I want to do is watch myself at home go through it all again.

Only time it's really come in handy is when there's (at least I think there is) an issue with the bike and I can watch the footage to see what's going on rather than having to try and figure it out on the move taking my focus of the road.

One thing I will say is don't act like billy big balls because you've got a camera on your helmet.
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PostPosted: 21:48 - 24 Jun 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

I use mine for classic car spotting
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PostPosted: 21:54 - 24 Jun 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

wristjob wrote:

D.post really dull vids on you tube.

How can singing justin beiber be dull?


Or pols youtube.
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PostPosted: 21:56 - 24 Jun 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 22:50 - 24 Jun 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

FWIW I reckon helmet cams are well worth the money. Speaking from personal experience where I've been in an accident (hit and run) situation and without the footage on my camera I had no case as there were no other witnesses. It's a small investment for a large return should the worst happen.

For those who say having a camera on makes you ride like a dick, don't be silly. If putting a camera on your lid is all it takes for you to lose your sense of control then you really are a dick. So camera or not you'll inevitably end up riding like a dick in which case having a camera may be to your detriment.

To answer OPs question: no, car drivers don't notice it at all. the camera is not a prevention tool, more of a arse covering tool for when things go wrong.

If you can afford a decent one I say get it. You don't have to be a vlogger to have a camera on. Just don't be a dick with it on because the footage can also be used against you.
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PostPosted: 06:59 - 25 Jun 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

How good is the quality and stillness of the footage from helmet cams though? I always assumed that they are simply designed to show a low quality image just to record the situation around you but not a film quality HD image.

Or put it another way do you get far better footage from a tank or bar mounted cam corder and is it easier to edit from these to make a decent quality video of a ride?

I think the helmet cam or a dash cam is doing a totally different job to a fixed mounted cam that someone would deliberately mount to record a ride for film/ you tube etc.

Oh and if you were going to fix £££'s worth of camera to a mount on your bike, then I do hope you would be inclined to ride like a tool, as no one would want to see on bike footage of a 30mph commute to work in traffic would they? That's another reason why I think helmet mounted or dash cams in cars are doing a totally different job, and you wipe the footage off once home unless you had an incident on that journey.

I'd still worry about the gear getting damaged on daily commutes though unless helmet cams are cheap as chips to replace?

Lastly how do you commuters get on that log your rides to work, if you one day go for a Sunday ride out, a touring adventure or if your going to a bike meeting. Do you still keep the cam fitted for those rides too?

Has anyone ever had a mate refuse to ride with hthrm because you have a cam fitted and are recording?
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PostPosted: 07:29 - 25 Jun 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

stevo as b4 wrote:
How good is the quality and stillness of the footage from helmet cams though? I always assumed that they are simply designed to show a low quality image just to record the situation around you but not a film quality HD image.

They mostly record at full HD 1080p if you choose that setting, some are now 4K.
Helmet mounting is generally better than fixing to the bike for a number of reasons.

1) Camera looks where you look
2) Camera will be steadier as your neck and body takes out most vibration and steadies other movements.
3) Camera does not need to be removed from mount when you park in case someone takes it
4) Potentially better sound if small mic is used inside helmet out of wind blast, and you can talk if you wish.

The downsides:
1)Power source - most batteries don't last much more than 2 hours.
Additional ones are inexpensive but fiddly to change over.
Too much hassle to run a cable to bike which would need uncoupling to get off. You might use a powerbank in a pocket if really keen.
2)Helmet made slightly more cumbersome when wearing or carrying.
You hardly notice it when riding though.
3)Remote chance of injury if you come off, but the mount would break away almost instantly most likely.
4)Looks a bit stupid, especially the more boxy gopro style.
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PostPosted: 07:58 - 25 Jun 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

TheArchitect wrote:


For those who say having a camera on makes you ride like a dick, don't be silly.


Exactly, I'm over cautious with my cam on. I won't dare break the speed limit.
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PostPosted: 08:26 - 25 Jun 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

M.C wrote:
stevo as b4 wrote:
I still don't understand the need th or everyone to be helmet or dash cam'd up though. At least not until insurance stipulates it as mandatory anyway.

If you do have an off, your probably going to Knacker the thing at your own cost to replace.

In my day having a camera fitted to a bike was only ever for going out to be total loonie and ride like a moron for film. That's why I think there's still a negative stigma attached to having a camera on your bike, and I can see some people dropping themselves right in the shit by having them.

If people told the truth there would be no need for one. I've yet to knock my head during an off/crash, but wrecking the camera isn't what worries me, its more what the camera/mount does in terms of compromising the helmet.



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PostPosted: 08:33 - 25 Jun 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

I used to ride with a camera on my helmet (Drift HD) but it got annoying fast, especially since I use a USB battery pack and tend to record all day. I now use a GoPro on a chesty mount, much more convenient.
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PostPosted: 08:34 - 25 Jun 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

You'll notice a significant difference if you start commuting with a camera running.

Whenever there's the slightest hint of a problem you'll need to pull over to recompose yourself. You'll frequently find yourself trying to put yourself in a stupid position so that you can rage at other road users whilst shouting "YOU'RE ON CAMERA, THIS IS GOING ON YOUTUBE!!!!!".

Having a camera running doesn't mean traffic will part for you like the Red Sea so it's not going to prevent accidents but the way you'll behave once you've got one could quite easily cause accidents. Almost nobody is going to notice that you've got a camera on your lid, even less people are going to care.

stevo as b4 wrote:
How good is the quality and stillness of the footage from helmet cams though? I always assumed that they are simply designed to show a low quality image just to record the situation around you but not a film quality HD image.

To see how good the quality is, go and have a look on youtube or or in videos section of BCF. Wink
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PostPosted: 09:15 - 25 Jun 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

No difference. But I don't ride to try and get good film either.
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