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PostPosted: 08:33 - 24 Jun 2016    Post subject: just a thought Reply with quote

Now we are not in the EU can we have proper two stroke bikes back

And lose abs as mandatory
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PostPosted: 08:37 - 24 Jun 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here's hoping Praying

However I fear manufacturers won't pay much attention to this little island, and will give us what the rest of Europe gets.

We can still dream of biking nirvana though Smile
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PostPosted: 08:43 - 24 Jun 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Here's hoping Praying

However I fear manufacturers won't pay much attention to this little island, and will give us what the rest of Europe gets.

We can still dream of biking nirvana though Smile


There's a prescedent for it. France had a 100bhp limit at one point. UK bikes were still full power.

UK models are already different, headlamp dips to the other side and our speedos are in MPH.
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PostPosted: 08:53 - 24 Jun 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

We're still in the EU and subject to everything that we signed up to and implemented in UK law.

Legislation and regulations are much easier to pass than to discard.

So no, not in the short or even mid term.
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PostPosted: 11:35 - 25 Jun 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

The government don't have the civil service resource to re-write every law to suit special interest groups such as motorcyclists. This means that unless we campaign specifically for that, we're scuppered.

The only thing I think we *might* get, (and it's unlikely) is a change to the motorcycle test to get rid of the stupid mod 1 and 2 system, and *maybe* get back the automatic license upgrade after two years. The rest you can't argue for, other than 'we want it'. The environmental and safety arguments are too great (even if perhaps spurious).
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PostPosted: 11:36 - 25 Jun 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

M.C wrote:
I fear manufacturers won't pay much attention to this little island, and will give us what the rest of Europe gets.

As mentioned by others, we're not out yet.

However If we do leave then the Bike manufacturers already make bikes for plenty of countries outside the EU.
If they make 2-strokes or non-ABS bikes for sale in Asia, Sth/Central America, Africa etc then it wouldn't be difficult for them to be put on sale here. Although I doubt our politicians would go against the 'think of the children' brigade by allowing it.
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PostPosted: 13:40 - 25 Jun 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Do you think we will get the examiner running around with a clipboard back then. Laughing
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PostPosted: 13:51 - 25 Jun 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have a 2 stroke bike, it's Italian.
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PostPosted: 13:51 - 25 Jun 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Look, it wont matter. They're going to build bikes for Europe and European regulations. We'll get the same bikes with different clocks.

They're not going to do specials for the UK. It wont happen no matter how much you want them to.

Leaving the EU will just mean the same laws we have now until the Tories can change the ones they want. Motorcycling laws wont even figure on their radar until they've at least sold everything off to their mates.

Also bear in mind, even if the government did change the rules, what if they put onerous requirements? Bike manufacturers will just fuck off the UK.


There's nothing wrong with the mod 1 & mod 2. The problem is younger riders having to take them more than once.
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PostPosted: 14:13 - 25 Jun 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

ScaredyCat wrote:
Motorcycling laws wont even figure on their radar until they've at least sold everything off to their mates.


There's still stuff left to sell?
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PostPosted: 16:19 - 25 Jun 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

mentalboy wrote:


There's still stuff left to sell?


I suspect some of their grandmothers might be alive..
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PostPosted: 16:54 - 25 Jun 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

ScaredyCat wrote:

There's nothing wrong with the mod 1 & mod 2. The problem is younger riders having to take them more than once.

There's everything wrong with Mod 1 Laughing

It's more the license categories that are the problem, and not just for younger riders. If you've ridden a 125 for you (probably) know how to ride, personally I didn't learn anything from my training, and it was a waste (of time/money) having to go through a training school and take the tests on a 600.

I'd reintroduce the 33bhp license but make it 47bhp or keep it at 33bhp but remove the current restriction rules. There has to be some incentive for those riding around on L plates to get licensed up (cheaply on their own bike).

I don't expect license changes TBH due to apathy and the money spent on testing centres. However non-abs bikes wouldn't be too much to ask, and I doubt manufacturers would be upset being able to sell their models a bit cheaper.
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PostPosted: 17:03 - 25 Jun 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

M.C wrote:
There's everything wrong with Mod 1 Laughing


Such as?
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PostPosted: 17:10 - 25 Jun 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

ScaredyCat wrote:
M.C wrote:
There's everything wrong with Mod 1 Laughing


Such as?

All the slow speed stuff's either completely or almost completely irrelevant. The estop and swerve test I can see the point of, if you've never ridden on the road before. If you have and are alive you've probably performed them before, many times...
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PostPosted: 17:12 - 25 Jun 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

MarJay wrote:
the stupid mod 1 and 2 system


I've sat both the old and "new" style tests.

Both were easy to pass, not a problem to be honest.
If anything, the latter was easier.
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PostPosted: 17:13 - 25 Jun 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

ScaredyCat wrote:
Look, it wont matter. They're going to build bikes for Europe and European regulations. We'll get the same bikes with different clocks.

They're not going to do specials for the UK. It wont happen no matter how much you want them to.


I don't know the figures but I'm pretty certain that at least for small bikes Europe is quite a small market for the big manufacturers.
So we could just as easily get the non-euro bikes they make for the S.E.Asian market... maybe with different clocks.
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PostPosted: 17:19 - 25 Jun 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

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All the slow speed stuff's either completely or almost completely irrelevant. The estop and swerve test I can see the point of, if you've never ridden on the road before. If you have and are alive you've probably performed them before, many times...


It's designed so that you can demonstrate to someone else you are capable. "Oh yeah I can do it, no probs" has never been sufficient for any test.

It's not a difficult test, if you can't pass it you don't deserve to be on the road.
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PostPosted: 17:34 - 25 Jun 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

M.C wrote:
All the slow speed stuff's either completely or almost completely irrelevant. The estop and swerve test I can see the point of, if you've never ridden on the road before. If you have and are alive you've probably performed them before, many times...


Why don't you try riding a quarter ton of bike up a solid white line road behind a truck that is just crawling along because the driver can't be arsed to stop and start every car length of road and then tell me tht low speed skills are irrelevant.

(If they stopped completely, even for a moment, you could take advantge of the rule that says you can overtake stationary traffic over solid white lines.)
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PostPosted: 17:34 - 25 Jun 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

ScaredyCat wrote:

It's designed so that you can demonstrate to someone else you are capable. "Oh yeah I can do it, no probs" has never been sufficient for any test.

It's not a difficult test, if you can't pass it you don't deserve to be on the road.

Capable of what, weaving round cones? I do that everyday on my commute Rolling Eyes

And what about Dave70 doing 30,000 miles then failing it (sorry Dave to use you as an example)? It has very little to do with riding on the road, which's where most of us spend our time, or do you regularly go down Tesco car park to do a few figures of 8?
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PostPosted: 18:38 - 25 Jun 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Capable of what, weaving round cones? I do that everyday on my commute Rolling Eyes


Capable of slow riding and still maintaining control. It doesn't matter if you do it every day, you have to actually show someone and prove you can do it.
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PostPosted: 18:54 - 25 Jun 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Capable of slow riding and still maintaining control. It doesn't matter if you do it every day, you have to actually show someone and prove you can do it.

You mean like you do on your CBT?
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PostPosted: 19:49 - 25 Jun 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

M.C wrote:
ScaredyCat wrote:
Capable of slow riding and still maintaining control. It doesn't matter if you do it every day, you have to actually show someone and prove you can do it.

You mean like you do on your CBT?


Someone taking a CBT isn't qualified to give you a license.
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PostPosted: 20:11 - 25 Jun 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

ScaredyCat wrote:
Someone taking a CBT isn't qualified to give you a license.

Why not?

You can ride around on the exact same A1 bike that you're allowed to ride after passing theory, A1 mod 1 and A2 mod 2.

Oh, once you're licensed, you can take a pillion and use motorways, neither of which are covered in the the tests.


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It's not a difficult test, if you can't pass it you don't deserve to be on the road.

It's also easy to fail on daft minutiae, and you don't have to pass it in order to be on the road anyway.

Our licensing system is a farce. We might as well just hand out A1 licenses after completing a CBT. Heck, we could give them away with car licenses.

On the bikes, sure we'll get Euro spec models, with all the costs and unnecessary cruft that entails: undefined OBD with no requirement for it to be owner-accessible; physical and electronic anti-tamper that has no conceivable owner benefit at all.

Ask Lexmoto, or Sinnis, or WK what they think of the Eurobollocks. They'll tell you that they're struggling to find any Chinese manufacturer willing to produce bikes that are Eurobollocks-compliant. Too much cost, too small a market.
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PostPosted: 20:15 - 25 Jun 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

M.C wrote:
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And what about Dave70 doing 30,000 miles then failing it (sorry Dave to use you as an example)


35,000 actually. Folded arms

Wink

I have to agree. Imo the mod 1 is a waste of everyones time and effort. In no way am I a better rider now, than I was last week.

Slow ride, E stop and U turn can be done on the road, like they do in the IoM. Incidentally, you can also do the test on a 125 there too, then hop on an R1 or whatever takes your fancy and the vast majority of bikers who crash and die over there are from the UK and Europe. There's got to be some irony in that somewhere.
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