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PostPosted: 11:48 - 20 Jun 2016    Post subject: Disconnecting Gas Fire Reply with quote

I have gas fire. Do want to remove said fire.

Fire is fed through an 8 mm copper pipe.

I have a 8mm compression stop end and a little pipe cutter to make a clean cut.

I will turn off the gas supply at the main valve. Then light the fire until it goes out, seemingly running the gas "dry".

I will then make a nice cut with aforementioned pipe cutter.

I've read you can start to fit the compression end on until it nips the olive onto the pipe, then remove the fitting and apply a couple laps of PTFE tape over the olive then fully fit the fitting.

That job to me seems very simple. Perhaps a note is that I do not intend to refit a fire in the future, I simply want to get this one out so I can remove the huge mantelpiece that takes a lot of floor space. Ultimately, I suppose I could get a gas fitter to come in and "properly" cut it out, or as we aim for a multifuel burner, wait for that work to start and get those people to sort the pipe for me.

This is a post to see if people think this job is fine for the DIYer or should I really engage a Gas Safe plumber and spend some dollars for 10 minutes of a job.
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PostPosted: 11:51 - 20 Jun 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had an old gas pipe capped off properly with a soldered end cap, cost 1 hours labour (£30).
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PostPosted: 12:04 - 20 Jun 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

J4mes wrote:
cost 1 hours labour (£30).

How much will it cost for the Tardis trip back to 1974?
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PostPosted: 12:13 - 20 Jun 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

in reality, fine to DIY.

from a legal standpoint - i *think* that gas stuff is one of the only places the average DIY homeowner can genuinely get in the shit if they get caught doing it. happy to be proven wrong though.

personally, i'd get a guy in. i did for the supply to my hob, and it cost me about £40. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 12:15 - 20 Jun 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
How much will it cost for the Tardis trip back to 1974?


Per the Corgi website you don't need to go back that far to do it yourself legally.
"In 1991 the Health & Safety Executive (HSE) changed legislation in Great Britain relating to gas work; introducing the requirement that anyone working on gas must be “a member of a class of persons”. This class of persons is defined as registration with a new mandatory gas safety scheme, which HSE asked CORGI to act as registrar of. CORGI became the “Council for Registered Gas Installers” at this time. "

If it was me (pre '91 obviously) I would do exactly as you propose and either test with some leak fluid (available Toolstation or Screwfix) or with some soapy water - look for tiny bubbles.
For gas you should use the thicker yellow ptfe tape - it'll say for gas on it. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 12:26 - 20 Jun 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

So, if I blow myself up, the HSE will take me to court?

Just had a brain spaz, a plumber/heating van man has moved in just up the road. Might ask him if he can do it then. I take it he'll give me a piece of paper to say,

"Dis werk wos r8 legit so dat fiyah is now totes safe, m8"

I 'spose if I'm gonna be wanting it cut back out of the way in the future I should put my hand in my pocket now.

Honestly, I just want the fire out so I can use my new HUGE FKN DRILL to smash the plaster and stuff off the chimney breast.
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PostPosted: 12:28 - 20 Jun 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

You lot are all such pussies.

DIY and because of how confident you should be with your own work, once you've turned the gas back on you've got to be smoking a spliff or cigarette when checking for leaks.
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PostPosted: 12:53 - 20 Jun 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gas off, Cut pipe where it's 15mm. 15mm Comp stop end with COPPER olive plus PTFE tape,
test for leaks with soapy water brushed on the joints.
5 min job. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 13:13 - 20 Jun 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

grr666 wrote:
Gas off, Cut pipe where it's 15mm. 15mm Comp stop end with COPPER olive plus PTFE tape,
test for leaks with soapy water brushed on the joints.
5 min job. Thumbs Up


I was planning on doing the 8mm pipe just where it comes out of the surround so I can get all the mantel out and then find the larger pipe to eventually finally cap.

My house came with rubbish stuff, didn't have central heating, very (very!) old electrics so didn't come with anything by way of certificates for gas/lecky.

I know you know about this stuff, would anybody ask for proof that this job was done by a Gas Safe pro? Or, seeing as I value my life, I would do a suitable job and live happily ever after?
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PostPosted: 13:15 - 20 Jun 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

And PS.

I'm a result of broken Britain therefore have no "male role model (or manly female)" to ask for advice about this kind of stuff.
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PostPosted: 13:55 - 20 Jun 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

DrSnoosnoo wrote:
I know you know about this stuff, would anybody ask for proof that this job was done by a Gas Safe pro? Or, seeing as I value my life, I would do a suitable job and live happily ever after?


What's that? It was capped off when you moved in?
Okay then.
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PostPosted: 15:11 - 20 Jun 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

have you got a separate isolating valve for the fire? so you can isolate that and leave the mains supply to the oven and/or boiler?

I'd still cut and cap off but on the downstream side of the valve, assuming you got one, so the pipe is empty between valve and capped end - and leave the pressurised (full up) pipe beween meter and other appliance (boiler/oven/whatever)
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PostPosted: 15:13 - 20 Jun 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Allegedly, more and moar DIYer are being did for non-compliance with Gas Safe regs. Whether Handymen or dads.

It's a place where folk get deaded regulary and spectacularly if it goes south later and you get a sploshun wot levels the building.

How much is it for a plumber to do it £100?
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PostPosted: 07:59 - 21 Jun 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

MCN wrote:
It's a place where folk get deaded regulary


Is it though? I'm genuinely surprised if it is.
I get that the consequences of being a proper spacker with explosive gases can be very bad and that the reg's started taking shape after some bodger blew up part of a block of flats in '68 (linky: https://www.corgiservices.com/about/), but the legal requirement didn't come in until '91, that's 23 years later.

Legally, iirc, you can still do all your own pipe work / fitting etc, but have to get it pressure tested (leak down test) and then signed off before connecting to the main supply. Actually getting a gas safe person round to do that is another issue though.
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PostPosted: 11:04 - 21 Jun 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

DrSnoosnoo wrote:

I know you know about this stuff, would anybody ask for proof that this job was done by a Gas Safe pro? Or, seeing as I value my life, I would do a suitable job and live happily ever after?

What pipe? Was like that when I bought the place x years ago, I never had any paperwork and it's been fine, but feel free to
enlist a gas safe guy to come and inspect the system if you have concerns. But I'd like to be present when checks/tests are being
carried out. Any additional checks over and above the the survey are to salve your own peace of mind so you are liable for those.

That's usually enough to get a buyer to wind their neck in a bit. Tell them to inspect away but you won't be
financing that indulgement. They'll quickly find other stuff to throw their money at instead.
When I buy I don't even have a survey done. Not worth the paper it's printed on. More get out clauses than you can
shake a stick at. I just use my eyes and experience. I once had a buyers surveyor put on a survey that the main
entrance to a block of flats had a faulty lock and therefore impacted the security of the block.

He never had a key for that door, Laughing that's why it wouldn't open. Rolling Eyes That's the kind of expertise a survey
gets you. Laughing Laughing Wasn't an issue as such but still held the sale up for a little bit as a query on their side.
I had to go and film both doors functioning properly to get that to go away. Idiots.
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PostPosted: 11:22 - 21 Jun 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

I once paid for a home buyers survey.

Embarassed Embarassed Embarassed Embarassed Embarassed Embarassed
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PostPosted: 11:49 - 21 Jun 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ste wrote:
I once paid for a home buyers survey.

Embarassed Embarassed Embarassed Embarassed Embarassed Embarassed


Me too, who missed a massive crack in the gable end of our house Shocked
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PostPosted: 15:40 - 21 Jun 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

jnw010 wrote:
MCN wrote:
It's a place where folk get deaded regulary


Is it though? I'm genuinely surprised if it is.
I get that the consequences of being a proper spacker with explosive gases can be very bad and that the reg's started taking shape after some bodger blew up part of a block of flats in '68 (linky: https://www.corgiservices.com/about/), but the legal requirement didn't come in until '91, that's 23 years later.

Legally, iirc, you can still do all your own pipe work / fitting etc, but have to get it pressure tested (leak down test) and then signed off before connecting to the main supply. Actually getting a gas safe person round to do that is another issue though.


I was just sayin' Sad

I don't do all my own gas work ever. Embarassed

I work with 10K PSIs hydraulic without issue so ain't feart of a couple of pounds of methanes. Smile
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PostPosted: 16:30 - 26 Jun 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gas engineer here. Official line is competent person should do it. Ie qualified gas man. Do it yourself just bare in mind if it goes wrong u will carry full responsibility for doing so. Worse case scenario you kill yourself and possibly your neighbours..

For the cost of an hours labour is it worth the hassle? Oh and for the record please make sure whoever does it uses ptfe rated for gas work. There is a difference..
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PostPosted: 20:43 - 28 Jun 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

It will take an engineer all of ten minutes. Why not get the Engineer in to do it at the same time as doing your yearly check on the gas boiler? The engineer will probably just roll it into the same job. You might not pay anymore than just the gas safety check.
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PostPosted: 13:58 - 03 Jul 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ribenapigeon wrote:
It will take an engineer all of ten minutes. Why not get the Engineer in to do it at the same time as doing your yearly check on the gas boiler? The engineer will probably just roll it into the same job. You might not pay anymore than just the gas safety check.


I'd expect sucking of teeth and muttering. I wouldn't expect it thrown in for free.
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PostPosted: 14:06 - 03 Jul 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

OP is dead after DIY'ing it?
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PostPosted: 14:14 - 03 Jul 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ste wrote:
OP is dead after DIY'ing it?


This ^^^

It was on the news

https://imgur.com/gallery/z7Pqw
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PostPosted: 14:54 - 03 Jul 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

MCN wrote:
Ste wrote:
OP is dead after DIY'ing it?


This ^^^

It was on the news

https://imgur.com/gallery/z7Pqw


Lived and worked in Tianjin just before this happened. Surprising more didn't end up dead.
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PostPosted: 07:57 - 04 Jul 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ste wrote:
OP is dead after DIY'ing it?


Sorry to disappoint. Mr Friendly Gas Man From Up't Road is coming tonight to cap it for me. Spent this weekend de plastering chimney breast and stripping the living room. Loosened up all of the HEAVY AS FHOOK mantle piece so when the fire is disconnected I can ... complain a lot about how heavy it is and not be able to be move it.

I'm thinking if it is that bad, I'm gonna lay it down and SDS chisel it into smaller bitesize chunks.

TL;DR - Not dead Thumbs Up
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