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PostPosted: 12:57 - 07 Jul 2016    Post subject: Best way to remove many years of paint from my boat roof? Reply with quote

As per the title.

For some reason the paint on the roof of my narrowboat is starting to break up badly. The top coat is flaking (bad preparation by a previous owner I suspect but it is also coming off in large deep chunks in places.

https://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f261/WhiteFurryBear/Roof%201.jpg

https://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f261/WhiteFurryBear/Roof%202.jpg

What's the best mechanical way to strip this back to bare metal for painting between the the side rails. I can't use nitromoors incase it gets in the canal. I only have a small generator (about 1000W).

I'm willing to buy the right machine (mains or batter)y if it will do the job relatively easily but at the moment all I can think of is a battery angle grinder and wire brush.

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PostPosted: 13:00 - 07 Jul 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Boat yard here has got a machine for stripping paint from the roof which takes about half a day.

Other than that you'll be doing it manually. Laughing
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PostPosted: 14:31 - 07 Jul 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Some of these;

https://cdn.toolstation.com/images/141020-UK/800/21989.jpg

On a 115mm angry grinder (~750w, blue Bosch ones are around 35 ponds and I've always had good luck with them) will run off your genny. It will be a slow job but short of getting a sand blasting setup I think you'll be fairly limited.
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PostPosted: 15:27 - 07 Jul 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Golly that's a lot of paint.

Careful with the buffing cups. I once used one on a full speed grinder (18,000rpm?) and when I was finished my overalls looked like a hairbrush.

I wonder if repeated doses of terps followed by a stiff yard brush would lift the worst of it?
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PostPosted: 15:45 - 07 Jul 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Careful with the buffing cups. I once used one on a full speed grinder (18,000rpm?) and when I was finished my overalls looked like a hairbrush.


I used on on a swingarm and it nailed my overalls to my shins in several places.

What about hiring a floor sander?
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PostPosted: 15:49 - 07 Jul 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Did you manage to overtake him?
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PostPosted: 16:50 - 07 Jul 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hire a Hydroblaster and wash it off. Smile

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zmk4fxl7eL4
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PostPosted: 17:12 - 07 Jul 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:


What about hiring a floor sander?


If you are anywhere near the kennet and avon i have a hand held belt sander that will take it down to the metal
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PostPosted: 21:20 - 07 Jul 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

M.C wrote:
Did you manage to overtake him?


Yes, he only has a 2 cylinder Lister of while I have the all powerful BMC 1.5 diesel out of a Morris Oxford Cool
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PostPosted: 21:51 - 07 Jul 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

might sound odd, but a decking scrubbing brush will get rid of most of the flaky stuff easily and quite quickly.

you could contact the waterboard and ask their view on "sand" blasting it, but using organic/bio degradable or inert grits, such as glass or walnut/almond shell

you could also ask them about what paint stripper they use?, and if a biodegradable one is ok, ( can soak in rags and work a patch at a time)

failing that there is always a weed burner/blow torch and a floor scraper

either way good luck and don't fall in, that's gonna take some elbow grease
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PostPosted: 23:11 - 07 Jul 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

I haven't used these but I've heard good things about them...
https://www.frost.co.uk/car-autobody-blasting-soda-blaster/wire-brushes-auto-grinding-discs/shaft-mounted-strip-disc.html
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PostPosted: 07:35 - 08 Jul 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pressure washer first to strip off the loose stuff, bonus is that you can do the job standing up. Then follow up with wire brush on an angle grinder.

Only go down to a belt sander if you need to for the last stage, if there's a lot to remove you'll just clog the belt.

You would probably want to go it in stages - split it into 4 sections, finish one then give it a coating of etch primer.
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PostPosted: 10:34 - 08 Jul 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the ideas. Pressure washer first to see what comes off and take it from there.

I already have a 4.5" angle grinder and wire brush. Will check the wattage and see if it will kill my generator or not. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 13:03 - 08 Jul 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had to some 100+ year old skirting board with many layers of paint to strip. Hot air gun worked best, although you won't be able to run one on your gen. A blow torch should work, although I'd opt for a large gas bottle with a machine mart hose and burner head. You have gas on the boat?
I used a 4" grinder with a twist wire head on a small trailer chassis. It took quite a while and was quite hard work. That roof is massive by comparison.
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PostPosted: 14:53 - 08 Jul 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had some 100+ year old skirting board with many layers of paint to strip. Hot air gun worked best, although you won't be able to run one on your gen. A blow torch should work, although I'd opt for a large gas bottle with a machine mart hose and burner head. You have gas on the boat?
I used a 4" grinder with a twist wire head on a small trailer chassis. It took quite a while and was quite hard work. That roof is massive by comparison.
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PostPosted: 16:40 - 09 Jul 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Polarbear wrote:
Thanks for the ideas. Pressure washer first to see what comes off and take it from there.

I already have a 4.5" angle grinder and wire brush. Will check the wattage and see if it will kill my generator or not. Thumbs Up


Karcher, and their like, do a 'wand' thing adaptor for their pressure washers.
It has a 'cone' shaped business end and will knock the shite off just about anything. It concentrates the water stream into a rotating jet. Similar to Hydroblasting. I know I'm going on about Hydroblasting but is is the most wickedest system for ripping paint off. Smile

Watch the clip.

https://www.karcher.com/int/products/Home__Garden/Accessories.htm?&sdp=ac&pid=47642080&accessoriesGroupName=&pn=Dirt+blaster&title=Dirt+blaster

https://www.diy.com/departments/karcher-db-145-dirtblaster-lance-k2-k4/789053_BQ.prd
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PostPosted: 00:37 - 10 Jul 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you're looking for a chemical way to do it without using crappy organic paint stripper then you can buy proper Dichloromethane solvent from here:

https://darrantchemicals.co.uk/dichloromethane

It'll lift pretty much any paint off, but be warned it'll also melt some types of plastics. It's not the nicest stuff in the world but it definitely works!
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PostPosted: 06:53 - 10 Jul 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

MCN wrote:
Hire a Hydroblaster and wash it off. Smile

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zmk4fxl7eL4


40,000psi? Yeah, right, the machine might be capable of it but those guys aren't using it. I had to work very hard to hang on to 16,000psi dump gun and that was when I was in my 20's. I've seen 40k in use, the gun was mounted to an excavator and gave off 5m of backwash.

Uninteresting details:

400000psi = 28kg/mm2 and a 1mm nozzle has 4.94mm2 area (a concrete cutting nozzle is typically 2mm so I'll be generous and halve it for their total nozzle area) so if they were using 40k psi each of those guys would be holding the gun against 138kg of force or one and a half times their own body weight. They certainly aren't doing that.
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PostPosted: 06:56 - 10 Jul 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nope. wrote:
If you're looking for a chemical way to do it without using crappy organic paint stripper then you can buy proper Dichloromethane solvent from here:

https://darrantchemicals.co.uk/dichloromethane

It'll lift pretty much any paint off, but be warned it'll also melt some types of plastics. It's not the nicest stuff in the world but it definitely works!


wouldn't that be even more dangerous to wildlife in the canal the boat is on
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PostPosted: 22:33 - 10 Jul 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

andyscooter wrote:
Nope. wrote:
If you're looking for a chemical way to do it without using crappy organic paint stripper then you can buy proper Dichloromethane solvent from here:

https://darrantchemicals.co.uk/dichloromethane

It'll lift pretty much any paint off, but be warned it'll also melt some types of plastics. It's not the nicest stuff in the world but it definitely works!


wouldn't that be even more dangerous to wildlife in the canal the boat is on


Well, it's not really going to run off unless you spill it since it's a solvent and it'll just evaporate. You'll have to be careful not to scrape the paint into the canal but you'd be doing that anyway. So, don't spill it or pour it away and I should think it'd be ok.
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PostPosted: 18:23 - 12 Jul 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pete. wrote:
MCN wrote:
Hire a Hydroblaster and wash it off. Smile

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zmk4fxl7eL4


40,000psi? Yeah, right, the machine might be capable of it but those guys aren't using it. I had to work very hard to hang on to 16,000psi dump gun and that was when I was in my 20's. I've seen 40k in use, the gun was mounted to an excavator and gave off 5m of backwash.

Uninteresting details:

400000psi = 28kg/mm2 and a 1mm nozzle has 4.94mm2 area (a concrete cutting nozzle is typically 2mm so I'll be generous and halve it for their total nozzle area) so if they were using 40k psi each of those guys would be holding the gun against 138kg of force or one and a half times their own body weight. They certainly aren't doing that.


40,000+PSI . And one man operates the lance/gun.
It is a very common system for descaling and preparing large surfaces as it is chemical free.
The nozzle rotates to prevent a solid jet penetrating the surface of what is cleaned but if too close the spray will engrave steel plate very effectively.

If you do the math for pressure over area it will not be too much force to contain. It may be 40K PSI but the volume of water is the part of more concern in this case.

And it will wash paint off anything. (Possibly with some of the underlying material is used too aggressively.)
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PostPosted: 09:49 - 13 Jul 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Surely the force being resisted by the operator will be defined by mass of water being ejected by the pressure gun. While related to operating pressure it won't be entirely defined by it.
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PostPosted: 20:04 - 15 Jul 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Been talking to a bloke I know
He is a boat painter by trade

Proper way is dry dock and shot blasting apparently

He says orbital sander would work but don't get caught dropping paint in the canalas it could result in a massive fine
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PostPosted: 12:32 - 16 Jul 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

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