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janner_10
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PostPosted: 18:56 - 15 Jul 2016    Post subject: Company car fuel benefit Reply with quote

Just been offered a job with fully expensed company car.

The bit that concerns me is the fully expensed bit, I assume this includes a fuel card. Now living only 9 miles from work, this would seem a daft choice to take, around £950 per year tax. Personal mileage wont be anywhere near that.

Whats the best way to dodge this tax?

Turn down the card and just claim business miles through expenses, im thinking is the least hassle route.

Anyone else done similar?
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PostPosted: 19:40 - 15 Jul 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have a company car. I pay for all the personal fuel I use meaning I don't pay tax on that "benefit". It's only if you have free fuel for personal use you are taxed on it. Any business miles I do I claim back in my wage. Not sure exactly but I think it's about 12p a mile.
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PostPosted: 19:48 - 15 Jul 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Claim business miles at 45p a mile. If you get paid less than this per mile then you can claim the difference.

It doesn't reduce your tax by 45p.

Instead each mile reduces your taxable income by 45p. It's been a while since I've been involved in UK tax.

So if you make say £40,000 you'd pay £9,632.80

But add in 1000 business miles @ 45p and you'll pony up £9,488.80 tax instead saving 144 quid in taxes.
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PostPosted: 20:19 - 15 Jul 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Itchy wrote:
Claim business miles at 45p a mile. If you get paid less than this per mile then you can claim the difference.

It doesn't reduce your tax by 45p.

Instead each mile reduces your taxable income by 45p. It's been a while since I've been involved in UK tax.

So if you make say £40,000 you'd pay £9,632.80

But add in 1000 business miles @ 45p and you'll pony up £9,488.80 tax instead saving 144 quid in taxes.

You can only claim at 45p if you're doing business miles in a personal vehicle. Company car is max 13p at moment I think depending on engine/fuel.

If you need a car for work and are going to do the miles in it then there are benefits to a car scheme, I don't get a choice (or I don't get a cash alternative at least) but even with quite a generous allowance (I used to get £5k cash) I'm still better off letting work pay for it, 2 services a year + tyres & insurance adds up
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PostPosted: 20:50 - 15 Jul 2016    Post subject: Re: Company car fuel benefit Reply with quote

janner_10 wrote:
Just been offered a job with fully expensed company car.

The bit that concerns me is the fully expensed bit, I assume this includes a fuel card. Now living only 9 miles from work, this would seem a daft choice to take, around £950 per year tax. Personal mileage wont be anywhere near that.

Whats the best way to dodge this tax?

Turn down the card and just claim business miles through expenses, im thinking is the least hassle route.

Anyone else done similar?


A typical company car, Passat, 3 series Beemer, etc at 40% tax, will cost you approx £200-230 a month in tax.

If you won't use it much it may be cheaper to politely decline and use cabs?
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PostPosted: 21:01 - 15 Jul 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you travel to meetings in different city's and locations, I'd ask for a rail season ticket instead of a car if this is practical.
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PostPosted: 22:03 - 15 Jul 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Its a Merc C220d Sport BlueTEC, according to HMRC will cost me £98 per month in tax.

My current car is a '06 Saab 95 Aero, which after 140k miles, is ageing to say the least. It costs £25 per month in tax plus £20 a month insurance, so I can stomach the extra £50 a month in tax (new job is £6k more per year)

I just don't want to be stung for the £1k per year tax for a fuel card when I dont really need it.

An hour of Googling suggests turning down the fuel card and claiming back the business mileage.
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PostPosted: 22:06 - 15 Jul 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

herulach wrote:


My bad, didn't mean to rate that down.
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PostPosted: 22:12 - 15 Jul 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

janner_10 wrote:
Its a Merc C220d Sport BlueTEC, according to HMRC will cost me £98 per month in tax.

My current car is a '06 Saab 95 Aero, which after 140k miles, is ageing to say the least. It costs £25 per month in tax plus £20 a month insurance, so I can stomach the extra £50 a month in tax (new job is £6k more per year)

I just don't want to be stung for the £1k per year tax for a fuel card when I dont really need it.

An hour of Googling suggests turning down the fuel card and claiming back the business mileage.


If they pay your fuel for business mileage only you've no additional tax burden unless you also take fuel for private use.

If they're giving you a car as a perk and you won't be expected to drive for work they may be open to giving you cash instead. If you need to drive for work then in all likelyhood they'll insist you use their car - thats why I have one, corporate manslaughter rules and all that bollocks.

Incidentally if you do get that (I have a C220 AMG) get them to put it on stock suspension. I have air on mine and its great, but the steel sports springs might as well be solid.
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PostPosted: 04:57 - 20 Jul 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lots of good advice here.

Generally, company cars are not economical. Let's say your company car is taxed at 25% of list price. Over four years you've had enough "income" to pay for a band new car. Except you haven't got a brand new car. And list price is excessive. And the % you pay on your car goes up each year.

In my experience, depending on what the employer is offering by way of a cash alternative, you are better off buying your own car and claiming the 45p. Again, depending on business and personal miles, your results may vary.

People that still like company cars are the sales guys piling on the miles or with low job security that bounce around jobs (they don't like the thought of paying for a car if they'll be unemployed for a couple of months).
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