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PostPosted: 03:09 - 19 Jul 2016    Post subject: Crowdfunding to sue dishonest leave campaign Reply with quote

Not sure how I feel about this.

I don't think leaving the EU would be the worst thing in the world, actually, but the way the campaign was ran was genuinely monstrous.

And I felt that from the other side of the world. I genuinely feel sorry for you poor buggers sat in the whirlwind.

Anyway, take a look at this. Looks pretty professional, and most of the way to target already.

https://www.crowdfunder.co.uk/brexitjustice/

I might bung in a tenner myself Thumbs Up About time someone held the lying vermin to account.
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PostPosted: 05:26 - 19 Jul 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

yay, lets prosecute the lying politicians!

oh, no, we're only going to prosecute the winning lying ones, not the lying bastards in the remain camp too.

oh.

why not prosecute them all?

erm, well.......

ah, i see point no. 2 on the agenda now - launch legal action to stop us leaving the EU.

more Remain butthurt twats. they can get fucked.
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PostPosted: 07:59 - 19 Jul 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree, that is the shady part of it.

However, it is true that the public was denied informed consent, and that there was encitement of racial tension.

Not ideal.

As I said in the original post, I don't feel leaving the EU would be the worst thing, but British people have next to zero faith in their politicians.

Taking a few of them outside and shooting them, proverbially, might help bring back some integrity to the utter shambles.
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PostPosted: 08:03 - 19 Jul 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

£100k to sue politicians is laughable.

The cost would run into the millions.
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PostPosted: 08:09 - 19 Jul 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sun Wukong wrote:
I agree, that is the shady part of it.

However, it is true that the public was denied informed consent, and that there was encitement of racial tension.

Not ideal.

As I said in the original post, I don't feel leaving the EU would be the worst thing, but British people have next to zero faith in their politicians.

Taking a few of them outside and shooting them, proverbially, might help bring back some integrity to the utter shambles.


agree with all of that mate. it's a shame they added point 2, as otherwise (apart from the laughable sum that has already been pointed out) it looked like a pretty good premise Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 08:35 - 19 Jul 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

£81,345 to date.

I am constantly amazed at the utter gullibility of the general public.
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PostPosted: 08:35 - 19 Jul 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Shame we have not left the eu yet for any of the promises to be denied anyway! Laughing
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PostPosted: 09:12 - 19 Jul 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think it's more about the blatant retractions of promises made once the campaign was complete.

The campaign on the remain side wasn't great, but that was more down to incompetence rather than outright lies. Bad things will happen when we initiate article 50, I have no doubt of that.

However, there really is no chance that the money that we send to the EU will immediately go to the NHS. We get money back from the EU for science funding, local development grants, local government grants etc, so I'm assuming most of the money we send to the EU would have to be redirected to those places anyway. The £350m a week figure has been widely refuted due to the rebate too.

However, if anything the remain campaign arguments were too optimistic, and basically as we will have no trade deals to speak of and will have to revert to WTO rules... we're fucked. So why not campaign to reverse the misinformed and xenophobic decision? Yeah, in ten years or so we *might* be better off than we are now, but to be honest in terms of trade and the shape of the overall economy right now we've never had it so good, and if we leave the EU now, we'll never have it this good again... At least not within the short to medium term.
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PostPosted: 09:19 - 19 Jul 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you dont truly believe in democracy you can rationalise any attack on it using morality.
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PostPosted: 09:21 - 19 Jul 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Matt B wrote:
£81,345 to date.

I am constantly amazed at the utter gullibility of the general public.


Approach pro-bono lawyers, cover their costs, and prove one or two points that apply to the whole band of buggers... will be enough to shake something.

And they actually hope to get 250,000

Pretty much everything that Marjay said, +1
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PostPosted: 09:30 - 19 Jul 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

MarJay wrote:
and basically as we will have no trade deals to speak of and will have to revert to WTO rules... we're fucked.


Except that negotiations are already under way for new trade deals.
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PostPosted: 09:42 - 19 Jul 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pjay wrote:
MarJay wrote:
and basically as we will have no trade deals to speak of and will have to revert to WTO rules... we're fucked.


Except that negotiations are already under way for new trade deals.


Source?
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PostPosted: 09:46 - 19 Jul 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/690191/Britain-ten-Brexit-trade-deals-lined-up-economic-powerhouses

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jul/15/uk-canada-advice-post-brexit-trade-deals-eu-ceta
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PostPosted: 09:50 - 19 Jul 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pjay wrote:
https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/690191/Britain-ten-Brexit-trade-deals-lined-up-economic-powerhouses

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jul/15/uk-canada-advice-post-brexit-trade-deals-eu-ceta


Where does it say any negotiations are underway? Simply a list of countries that are willing to talk.

Your links don't support your comment.
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PostPosted: 09:52 - 19 Jul 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

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BRITAIN already has ten trade deals lined up with economic powerhouses around the world as it forges its post-Brexit future, Liam Fox said last night.
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PostPosted: 09:53 - 19 Jul 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

what a crock of shit. Sick
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PostPosted: 10:02 - 19 Jul 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

scorps wrote:
what a crock of shit. Sick


Which bit
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PostPosted: 10:08 - 19 Jul 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

It won't work.

Gordon Brown / Labour made a promise about a referendum on the Lisbon/Nice treaty.


Gordon Brown's defence at the time was "Election promises and pledges are not subject to legitimate expectation."


It essentially went back to old contract law. Whereby unless there is a specific relationship where there is a formal contract of sorts or compensation then there is no expectation for either party to be held liable if one of the parties does not meet their obligations.

This is similar to say investment advice in newspapers or horse betting tips on various forms of media. Due to the fact that it is general advice and you don't pay for it nor do you have a direct contract with those who make the promises.

Kind of like how advice is given on BCF and you're expected to do your own research and nor is anybody held to be liable until a certain level of interaction is made.

It's completely null.
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PostPosted: 10:27 - 19 Jul 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

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BRITAIN already has ten trade deals lined up with economic powerhouses around the world as it forges its post-Brexit future, Liam Fox said last night.


Switzerland has a deal lined up with the EU. Which has not yet been completed.

It started negotiating it in 1979.

We're going to be on WTO rules for all trade for at least ten years.

Australia's bilateral trade deal with China took ten years. Australia has the negotiating talent and the diplomatic muscle to push it through. We have currently NO trade negotiators at all.
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PostPosted: 10:28 - 19 Jul 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

MarJay wrote:
We're going to be on WTO rules for all trade for at least ten years.


Will you agree to paypal me £1000 if we get it sorted by 2019?
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PostPosted: 10:40 - 19 Jul 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Let me make this a little simpler for the simple folk.

The UK import around £12.5bn a month more than they sell into the EU.

Do you really think these EU countries would want the EU bureaucrats to hang about for years to get a deal sorted? Of course not.

We are in the driving seat and have the upper hand in trade deal negotiations, so if anyone stalls, it will be us.

There will also be a template deal for most other countries that they will fall over themselves to sign, it makes no sense not to.

Using the complicated Switzerland deal as a case in point is pretty poor form.

https://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/cde1dc04-4c31-11e6-8172-e39ecd3b86fc.html#axzz4Eqko0OcJ

Take a look, they are aiming to have the deals done on Brexit. I am sure these people know a bit more than us.


Also:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3678611/Brexit-makes-UK-China-trade-deal-likely-say-officials-countries-Chinese-blast-frustrating-EU.html#ixzz4EqltfkI8

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Brexit makes the prospect of Britain striking a trade deal with China more likely, trade officials from both countries have said.
Xing Houyuan, an official at the state-backed Chinese Academy of International Trade and Economic Cooperation, said China was being frustrated by the EU.
But now Britain has left, he said the 'situation in Western Europe will push China and the UK to make a trade treaty,' he told the state-owned China Daily newspaper.
And British trade minister Lord Price, a former boss of Waitrose, is currently in Hong Kong where he said the future of 'optimistic' about future trade deals with 'new trading markets' in the East.
China's Commerce Ministry spokesman Shen Danyang also gave a positive outlook, telling China Daily that Brexit will 'create more chances in different fields for new investment'.
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PostPosted: 10:58 - 19 Jul 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pjay wrote:
Let me make this a little simpler for the simple folk.

The UK import around £12.5bn a month more than they sell into the EU.


That is just a number that sounds big. For each of the companies, that export worldwide, do you think the UK is really a massive % of their businesses that is worth while them doing all the lobbying?
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PostPosted: 11:03 - 19 Jul 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

lihp wrote:
That is just a number that sounds big.


No, that was pulled directly from HM Revenue and Customs statistical data.

For Example, we import £5.1bn of goods/services from Germany each month.

Yes I do think they will be eager for us to get a deal sorted asap.


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PostPosted: 11:05 - 19 Jul 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pjay wrote:
lihp wrote:
That is just a number that sounds big.


No, that was pulled directly from HM Revenue and Customs statistical data.


I'm not saying it wasn't. I said it just sounds big. It's not actually that big in terms of the size of markets that are being discussed here.
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PostPosted: 11:09 - 19 Jul 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

lihp wrote:
I'm not saying it wasn't. I said it just sounds big. It's not actually that big in terms of the size of markets that are being discussed here.


So, £1000 into my paypal if it's sorted by 2019?
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