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| Sun Wukong |
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 Posted: 03:09 - 19 Jul 2016 Post subject: Crowdfunding to sue dishonest leave campaign |
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Not sure how I feel about this.
I don't think leaving the EU would be the worst thing in the world, actually, but the way the campaign was ran was genuinely monstrous.
And I felt that from the other side of the world. I genuinely feel sorry for you poor buggers sat in the whirlwind.
Anyway, take a look at this. Looks pretty professional, and most of the way to target already.
https://www.crowdfunder.co.uk/brexitjustice/
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| Sun Wukong wrote: | I agree, that is the shady part of it.
However, it is true that the public was denied informed consent, and that there was encitement of racial tension.
Not ideal.
As I said in the original post, I don't feel leaving the EU would be the worst thing, but British people have next to zero faith in their politicians.
Taking a few of them outside and shooting them, proverbially, might help bring back some integrity to the utter shambles. |
agree with all of that mate. it's a shame they added point 2, as otherwise (apart from the laughable sum that has already been pointed out) it looked like a pretty good premise  ____________________ Past - 1988 honda revere 600, 1996 kawasaki gpz500s, 1999 Yamaha R6
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Shame we have not left the eu yet for any of the promises to be denied anyway!  ____________________ '00 Aprilia RS50 > '92 Honda CG > '99 Yamaha Fazer > '91 Yamaha RXS > '79 Suzuki X5 > 01' Honda Cg > 07' Honda Cg > 82' Kawasaki Z200 > suzuki gsxr 400 gk73a > honda vfr 400 NC30> Yamaha RD350 YPVS F2 > Kawasaki ZZR 600 D1 > Yamaha TZR 250 2MA >Suzuki TL1000R > Yamaha TDR250 > Honda 929 blade > Suzuki SV1000 > Honda H100
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 MarJay But it's British!

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I think it's more about the blatant retractions of promises made once the campaign was complete.
The campaign on the remain side wasn't great, but that was more down to incompetence rather than outright lies. Bad things will happen when we initiate article 50, I have no doubt of that.
However, there really is no chance that the money that we send to the EU will immediately go to the NHS. We get money back from the EU for science funding, local development grants, local government grants etc, so I'm assuming most of the money we send to the EU would have to be redirected to those places anyway. The £350m a week figure has been widely refuted due to the rebate too.
However, if anything the remain campaign arguments were too optimistic, and basically as we will have no trade deals to speak of and will have to revert to WTO rules... we're fucked. So why not campaign to reverse the misinformed and xenophobic decision? Yeah, in ten years or so we *might* be better off than we are now, but to be honest in terms of trade and the shape of the overall economy right now we've never had it so good, and if we leave the EU now, we'll never have it this good again... At least not within the short to medium term. ____________________ British beauty: Triumph Street Triple R; Loony stroker: KR1S; Track fun: GSXR750 L1; Commuter Missile: GSX-S1000F
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Where does it say any negotiations are underway? Simply a list of countries that are willing to talk.
Your links don't support your comment. ____________________ covent.gardens: lihp is my most favourite member ever |
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what a crock of shit.  ____________________ Do not presume that I am male. |
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It won't work.
Gordon Brown / Labour made a promise about a referendum on the Lisbon/Nice treaty.
Gordon Brown's defence at the time was "Election promises and pledges are not subject to legitimate expectation."
It essentially went back to old contract law. Whereby unless there is a specific relationship where there is a formal contract of sorts or compensation then there is no expectation for either party to be held liable if one of the parties does not meet their obligations.
This is similar to say investment advice in newspapers or horse betting tips on various forms of media. Due to the fact that it is general advice and you don't pay for it nor do you have a direct contract with those who make the promises.
Kind of like how advice is given on BCF and you're expected to do your own research and nor is anybody held to be liable until a certain level of interaction is made.
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Let me make this a little simpler for the simple folk.
The UK import around £12.5bn a month more than they sell into the EU.
Do you really think these EU countries would want the EU bureaucrats to hang about for years to get a deal sorted? Of course not.
We are in the driving seat and have the upper hand in trade deal negotiations, so if anyone stalls, it will be us.
There will also be a template deal for most other countries that they will fall over themselves to sign, it makes no sense not to.
Using the complicated Switzerland deal as a case in point is pretty poor form.
https://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/cde1dc04-4c31-11e6-8172-e39ecd3b86fc.html#axzz4Eqko0OcJ
Take a look, they are aiming to have the deals done on Brexit. I am sure these people know a bit more than us.
Also:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3678611/Brexit-makes-UK-China-trade-deal-likely-say-officials-countries-Chinese-blast-frustrating-EU.html#ixzz4EqltfkI8
| Quote: | Brexit makes the prospect of Britain striking a trade deal with China more likely, trade officials from both countries have said.
Xing Houyuan, an official at the state-backed Chinese Academy of International Trade and Economic Cooperation, said China was being frustrated by the EU.
But now Britain has left, he said the 'situation in Western Europe will push China and the UK to make a trade treaty,' he told the state-owned China Daily newspaper.
And British trade minister Lord Price, a former boss of Waitrose, is currently in Hong Kong where he said the future of 'optimistic' about future trade deals with 'new trading markets' in the East.
China's Commerce Ministry spokesman Shen Danyang also gave a positive outlook, telling China Daily that Brexit will 'create more chances in different fields for new investment'. |
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Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 9 years, 165 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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