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M.C
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PostPosted: 18:22 - 22 Jul 2016    Post subject: Munich shooting(s) Reply with quote

A little hard to tell, but it looks like a jihadi Whistle https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1B5_bQR8OqY
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PostPosted: 20:31 - 22 Jul 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

They keep on pushing the right wing theory and keeping away from Allans Snackbar brigade.

8 dead so far.
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PostPosted: 20:41 - 22 Jul 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

And once again the State media will tell us that this has nothing to do with Islam and it's our fault for not being more tolerant to illegal muslim immigants.

Seriously, a few years from now if these attacks continue to escalate I can see myself carrying more than just a rolled-up newspaper to defend myself. Europe is under siege and under attack from muslims, and I say muslims, not just extremists or radicals or Islamists or Salafists or jihadists, I do mean muslims in general, because the overwhelming majority of muslims even in the UK and Europe, even in the face of these terrorist jihadi attacks continue to defend Islam. You will almost never hear a muslim speak a word of criticism of Islam, probably for the same reason that the rest of us don't publicly criticize Islam; we are AFRAID of muslims.
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PostPosted: 20:51 - 22 Jul 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sky news had a cleaned up image and it did look like a whitey, but I'm not sure. Could be a lone nut job like Anders Breivik, apparently its 5 years on since his attack.
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PostPosted: 21:53 - 22 Jul 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Eye witnesses claim at least one of the shooters is muslim; there are white muslims but more likely they are Mid-East or African. We'll be seeing more of these attacks; The Islamic State and various other terrorist groups have for years been encouraging muslims in Europe to carry out independent attacks; they suggest using knives, lorries and bulldozers and sabotaging railway lines to derail trains.
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PostPosted: 22:25 - 22 Jul 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ahh good old media eh? Wink

Looks like a snack bar, so what do they say?
+ Welcoming country
+ Open mindedness is a proud part of our culture
+ Don't change your attitudes towards welcoming mass immigration. Have a welcoming party!
+ Get over it and move on (quickly)

If it was a white 'kipper
+ Vote for Jo!
+ Need an enquiry
+ Should we ban UKIP?
+ Not enough tolerance
+ Talk about it endlessly
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PostPosted: 00:51 - 23 Jul 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Eatheir way angela merkel is fected now.
She invited loads of unknown people in to Europe
and pay the price.

Germany needed people but could have got them from Europe.

But no she thinks take in ..........

Who ever did this it is because of what she did.

Who did it.?
Someone sick off them coming in and doing crime or
an inport who does not like his new country of choice.
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PostPosted: 01:00 - 23 Jul 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

#refugeeswelcome

How's that working out for you Germany? Laughing
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PostPosted: 03:47 - 23 Jul 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

And remember, the only way the UK can get access to the single market is to allow the free movement of people.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36853952

Go on Theresa, tell them there will be no free movement of people, just like you told Sturgeon that there will be no second Scottish referendum. Wub
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PostPosted: 04:32 - 23 Jul 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

ninja_butler wrote:
there are white muslims


https://i.imgur.com/2CklrWE.jpg
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PostPosted: 04:42 - 23 Jul 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

White muslim:

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=jordan+horner&tbm=isch
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PostPosted: 06:22 - 23 Jul 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ste wrote:
#refugeeswelcome

How's that working out for you Germany? Laughing


#RefugeesWelcomeToLeave.EU
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PostPosted: 07:56 - 23 Jul 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Turns out it was an Iranian guy so probably Shia, mortal enemies of ISIS.
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PostPosted: 08:12 - 23 Jul 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Turn the perspective around ffs. These are mentally-ill fuckwads who have hijacked A religion, the banner of which they use to colour their madness. If it was the klu klux clan hanging blacks would ya'll be condemning christianity? How about brevick's little jaunt?

Islam and Christianity both come from the same fundamental script.
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PostPosted: 08:12 - 23 Jul 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Itchy wrote:
Turns out it was an Iranian guy so probably Shia, mortal enemies of ISIS.


Don't give a shit which version of the Death cult they follow...the whole ISIS thing is a smokescreen.

The bloke follows the Koran..is a Muslim and as most of these killers, has never had any direct involvement with ISIS...Just wants to kill non believers (preferably white westerners) while ISIS claim he's theirs.

The western world will NEVER get to the bottom of the problem while they blame one faction (ISIS)...The problem lies solely with Islam. It's refusal to modernise or amend it's holy book to bring it to modern standards where some of its teachings within is un accep table in today's society.

Islam and the West does NOT mix well and we should have tried to address the problem years ago but unfortunately it's too late now and we will face a pretty brutal future all over Europe at the hands of Islam.
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PostPosted: 08:17 - 23 Jul 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fundamentalist Christian anti-abortionists...ISIS...no mental difference.
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PostPosted: 08:32 - 23 Jul 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hetzer wrote:
How about brevick's little jaunt?

Very true, but there have always been lone nutters, what's going on now is a group of people seemingly identifying with an ideology that has nothing to do with them.

I think its fair to say that while Islam isn't totally to blame, it's a religion that has intolerance at the heart of it, and also from a PR point of view Muslims do a really poor job. There's always a Muslim group willing to come out and support terrorists/try to justify their actions, which goes against the standard line of them not being Muslims Thinking

Funny how this morning the BBC were still giving no details about the background of the shooter, whilst Sky news were?
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PostPosted: 08:36 - 23 Jul 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

M.C wrote:


I think its fair to say that while Islam isn't totally to blame, it's a religion that has intolerance at the heart of it, and also from a PR point of view Muslims do a really poor job. There's always a Muslim group willing to come out and support terrorists/try to justify their actions, which goes against the standard line of them not being Muslims Thinking


Problem is do you really want PRC style burning of churches and stuff?
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PostPosted: 08:38 - 23 Jul 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

There is intolerance at the heart of Christianity as well except the nutters who actually go out and kill people tend to stay in Africa.

For the record I think all religion is pointless and has many negative effects on society but blaming Islam in general is not going to help with the current spate of lone-wolf or ISIS supported suicide attacks.

thepuma, what do you propose? Banning Muslims from the west? Because that isn't going to happen. We need a reasonable response that isn't filled with ignorant hatred of 20% of the world population.


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PostPosted: 08:48 - 23 Jul 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Artist wrote:


with ignorant hated of 20% of the world population.


The empathy gap needs to be filled.

https://www.annualreviews.org/doi/abs/10.1146/annurev-neuro-062111-150536

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17534011

https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0048546

TL:DR Humans often do not have empathy for those who they consider to be different EVEN if they were raised in the same environment. This extends even into the medical profession whereby doctors severely underestimate the pain that others feel black doctors will underestimate pain of white people and white doctors will underestimate the pain of black people.

Fill in the empathy gap and acting badly against others is harder.

https://kropfpolisci.com/cognitive.grossman.pdf

Completely remove the empathy and dehumanise others and terrible things are possible. Like Vietnam where search and destroy where raping children and murdering innocent villagers are policy and totally okay because they weren't seen as humans. Same deal in WWI and WWII and every conflict since the beginning of time.
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PostPosted: 09:26 - 23 Jul 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Artist wrote:
There is intolerance at the heart of Christianity as well except the nutters who actually go out and kill people tend to stay in Africa.

For the record I think all religion is pointless and has many negative effects on society but blaming Islam in general is not going to help with the current spate of lone-wolf or ISIS supported suicide attacks.

thepuma, what do you propose? Banning Muslims from the west? Because that isn't going to happen. We need a reasonable response that isn't filled with ignorant hated of 20% of the world population.

It might happen in America if Trump gets his way Laughing Christianity is as bad as Islam, ISIS are pretty much doing what Christian's have done in the past, but people shouldn't have to go about their daily lives with this $hit going on.

I think this is where peoples tolerance has worn out, think back to the IRA bombings, Irish people as a whole weren't treated brilliantly but with the troubles dying down (well in terms of mainland UK attacks) the hatred/discrimination has drifted away.

I can see the same thing happening with 'islamophobia' (I hate that term btw), but there doesn't seem to be an appetite within Islam to deal with this radical element, so we're probably going to have continuing attacks and a reliance on the security services to try and prevent them for the foreseeable future.
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PostPosted: 10:21 - 23 Jul 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

M.C wrote:
'islamophobia' (I hate that term btw)


Islamophobiaphobia?

M.C wrote:
but there doesn't seem to be an appetite within Islam to deal with this radical element, so we're probably going to have continuing attacks and a reliance on the security services to try and prevent them for the foreseeable future.


I would say the reason there is no apetite to deal with the radicals is the 99% of Muslims do not associate what ISIS do with Islam.

If you were a "Insert ethnic group here" and a bunch of crazy nutjobs started killing others in the name of "Insert ethnic group here", you would just say hang on, they aren't real "insert ethnic group here" rather than take responsibility and no one can blame you for doing so.
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PostPosted: 11:21 - 23 Jul 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Artist wrote:
M.C wrote:
'islamophobia' (I hate that term btw)


Islamophobiaphobia?

Nope Wink Muslims/Islam aren't anything special, there's no conspiracy, its as I said earlier what happened when the IRA were setting off bombs. People oddly don't like it...

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M.C wrote:
but there doesn't seem to be an appetite within Islam to deal with this radical element, so we're probably going to have continuing attacks and a reliance on the security services to try and prevent them for the foreseeable future.


I would say the reason there is no apetite to deal with the radicals is the 99% of Muslims do not associate what ISIS do with Islam.

Err.. is all Islamic terrorism ISIS? I'm pretty sure it was happening before they popped up, unless you're a politician who solely blames them to justify yet more military action in a foreign land.
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PostPosted: 11:37 - 23 Jul 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

M.C wrote:

Err.. is all Islamic terrorism ISIS? I'm pretty sure it was happening before they popped up, unless you're a politician who solely blames them to justify yet more military action in a foreign land.


Nope, never said it was. Replace "ISIS" with any radical Islam group.

My point is not that Islam is bad for society because I think it is. I just disagree with the scarily louder and more popular opinion that Islam should be outlawed and we should treat Muslims with contempt. If someone wants to believe something so be it. If someone wants to harm other people, something needs to be done without affecting innocents.
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