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TheCherryCore
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PostPosted: 13:35 - 25 Jul 2016    Post subject: Older bikes legal for full A practical pass - at least 40kwt Reply with quote

Hi guys!

Long story short, however due to relocation am looking for an older bike for myself (595cc-ish, manual transmission), which would be legal for full A practical pass later on (and L-commuting in between). So far kwt/bhp-wise only HONDA CB500 comes to my mind, though am not too happy with only this option.

Drove Kawasaki ER6N (2008) last couple of seasons (narrow engine, great seat height, excellent weight distribution IMO) however need something cheaper now to fit in my current budget.

If any of you can think of 40kwt+ around 200-210kg wet weight easy machine, with or without plastic (for a female 24+; 173cm), please add your comment for my consideration.

Please no inner-jap of 400 and lower super-sport types.

Cheers!


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PostPosted: 13:57 - 25 Jul 2016    Post subject: Re: Older bikes legal for full A practical pass - at least 4 Reply with quote

TheCherryCore wrote:
(500cc-ish, manual transmission), which would be legal for full A practical pass later on (and L-commuting in between).


Not plausible, assuming you're UK based. I say plausible rather than possible as it's possible, if you had your own DAS instructor to be in constant radio contact with you during your commute.
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PostPosted: 14:02 - 25 Jul 2016    Post subject: A licence. Reply with quote

In uk you need 595cc for A licence test!
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PostPosted: 14:35 - 25 Jul 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mkay. Then how you guys are progressing from 125ccs to anything that is actually allowed on the roads here in the UK?

How I used to do it: years ago passed the training ground and city driving with Suzuki GS500 in country X = drove ZZR600, DL650 on a full A.

Moved. Did another training ground + city with Suzuki GSR600 in country Y = drove ER6. The last training ground gave me a certificate of completion (not the full A on my licence) which was legal to ride the above mentioned machine. My old A is not compatible with EEA and has to be re-done.

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In uk you need 595cc for A licence test!

True. Can be rented from a trainer very often. Not in UK?
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PostPosted: 14:35 - 25 Jul 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

This list is a good start: https://www.dft.gov.uk/motorcycle-test-vehicle-list/

CB500's only good enough for your A2 license.
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PostPosted: 15:03 - 25 Jul 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

TheCherryCore wrote:
Mkay. Then how you guys are progressing from 125ccs to anything that is actually allowed on the roads here in the UK?

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normally with a riding school but you cant commute on the schools bike until you pass

until you have done your mod one and two on a bike that meets the standards set you are either stuck on a 125cc or as said need the instructor to be with you in radio contact

( a few people have just had there own bikes taken to the test centre and passed without a school but it probably is as expensive
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PostPosted: 15:05 - 25 Jul 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

What UK licence do you hold at the minute?

Have you done your A2 test or just a CBT?

If you need to display L plates then you can't ride anything bigger than a 125cc at the minute unless you are being followed by an instructor who you are in radio contact with.
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PostPosted: 15:52 - 25 Jul 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

TheCherryCore wrote:
country X / full A

More details might help to confirm that.

UK licensing is a right fuss now. I guess this is as good a flowchart as any.

You can't just rock up and rent a bike prior to passing your tests. For your provisional entitlement (and therefore their insurance) to be valid, you need to be accompanied by a certified instructor, or be on test. That gives training schools the whip hand over you.

You could buy your own bike: Bandit 600, Fazer, CBR600F or similar, then insure it on your provisional entitlement via Bikesure (and perhaps others). You still can't legally ride it around, but if you can think of a way to get it to the test centre without raising too many questions, you can sit your tests on it. It needs to be displaying L plates front and rear while being used for the tests.

If you're really starting from fresh, you'll need to pass a motorcycle theory test, and do a Compulsory Basic Training course.

Get them done and talk to the instructors at your chosen school - if you can demonstrate your competency you may find them willing to supply a bike and a accompanying instructor for a not too outrageous amount of money.

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PostPosted: 15:57 - 25 Jul 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

The hoops youngsters have to jump through today to get a full bike licence is bloody ridiculous. I'm surprised so many people even bother.

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PostPosted: 22:27 - 25 Jul 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm maybe misunderstanding your original post however if you are riding with L plates on a CBT only then you CANNOT legally ride anything larger than a 125cc bike unless accompanied by an instructor.

Once you obtain a full A license if you want something else similar to the ER6 then maybe look at an SV650? Can find them very cheaply.

My understanding of licensing:

CBT only (L Plates): 125CC limit (11kW max ~ 15bhp). No motorway or pillion.
A1: Age 17-19, 125CC max as above but without motorway/pillion restriction and no L plates required.
A2: Age 19-23, Min test bike 395cc (25 Kw (33Bhp)), max bike 35kW (46bhp)
A: Age 24+ or A2 for two years - unrestricted but requires a test bike of 595cc (40kW, 54bhp).

It is ridiculously overcomplicated.
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PostPosted: 00:32 - 26 Jul 2016    Post subject: Re: Older bikes legal for full A practical pass - at least 4 Reply with quote

TheCherryCore wrote:
Hi guys!

Long story short, however due to relocation am looking for an older bike for myself (595cc-ish, manual transmission), which would be legal for full A practical pass later on (and L-commuting in between).


Hello and welcome to BCF Very Happy

Relocation where in which country? Because you cannot ride any bike with more then 125cc in the UK on L-plates.
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PostPosted: 14:17 - 26 Jul 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, I kinda read that all through and it seems to be a chainlink missing between 125 and 600. I barely can imagine myself driving 125 then jumping on 600 and pass any test. Thanks anyways, really appreciated.

I used to have my full A in Japan 11 years ago, before I moved back to Europe (geology, it drags you allover the places, really), however, it does not meet EEA standards and has to be re-done from scratch.

Thanks guys, I'll try to make an attempt and link the chains, or... will get myself rusty Yaris really, and wait until next relocation Very Happy
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PostPosted: 15:21 - 26 Jul 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's a pain in the ass. Really the best thing to do is just pass the full A test - if you've got experience it won't be that hard. I only had about 4 months of 125 time before I sat the test and managed it no bother at all (lots of car experience though)

Failing that a 125 can still be fun depending on the roads you ride. I often use a little CG125 for short distance commuting and over my commuting route I actually have a lot more fun on that that I do on my bigger bikes because it feels like I'm ragging it and flinging it about the whole time. I also make the same progress on it. Even take it out for a backroad run now and again and it's enjoyable. No good if it's all fast A roads or motorway though.
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PostPosted: 21:32 - 26 Jul 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

TheCherryCore wrote:
Yeah, I kinda read that all through and it seems to be a chainlink missing between 125 and 600. I barely can imagine myself driving 125 then jumping on 600 and pass any test. Thanks anyways, really appreciated.

I used to have my full A in Japan 11 years ago, before I moved back to Europe (geology, it drags you allover the places, really), however, it does not meet EEA standards and has to be re-done from scratch.

Thanks guys, I'll try to make an attempt and link the chains, or... will get myself rusty Yaris really, and wait until next relocation Very Happy

You need to go back a long way to do what (I think) you want. Ready to be corrected but I believe pre-1997 it was possible, then the DAS rules came in, and to get a full unrestricted license it had to be on a big bike (back then the crappy 500cc you were asking about would do). Taking your test on a 125 would see you restricted to 33bhp for 2 years, then as many ponies as you can handle.

Unfortunately the EU f**ked things up in 2013, leaving no option but to take your test(s) on a big bike, now a 600cc. If you ride to a good standard, you could try a 'cheap' DAS course. Short courses are about £300-400, I paid £330 for mine, but it only stays cheap if you pass first time otherwise it quickly gets expensive...
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