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PostPosted: 07:50 - 28 Jul 2016    Post subject: Christians v Muslims in the UK - how can we avoid a war? Reply with quote

No reasonable person wants it, but I'm struggling to think how we can avoid sectarian violence if things escalate - and they will if the nutters continue to kill Europeans in the name of Allah.

Practical suggestions please.
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PostPosted: 08:03 - 28 Jul 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Being Brits, apathy rules, nothing will happen, especially if it's raining!
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PostPosted: 08:09 - 28 Jul 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

There needs to be better integration on both sides AND those people who know who the nutters are need to be proactive about exposing them / naming them / shaming them / publicly denouncing them in order to distance genuine religion / faith from extremism / terrorism. When you look at how accepting England generally is of other faiths, you have to wonder what these people think they are going to achieve.

Equally, Christianism has been responsible for some horrific acts over the years so maybe a little less finger wagging from that direction would be good.

For our part, we need to boot the extremists out if we know who they are. If life is so bad here in the West then we can send them back to whatever dustbowl they are acting on behalf of, including their families and supporters. I fully support the destruction of passports for those people who willingly leave this country to join a terrorist organisation and if they want to return, make them apply for a new VISA just like every other immigrant.

We also need to stop arming future terrorists - oh and stop marching in when we are worried we might lose oil access, time to invest in cleaner / different sources of energy. Wonder how fast that could be done if we weren't lining the pockets of BP / Shell etc etc.

Whatever we are currently doing is clearly not working.
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PostPosted: 08:11 - 28 Jul 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's what they want. Why do you think we've had such a 'charm offensive' from the Muslims lately?
Slitting a priests throat in a church? Stabbing up women and kids in public places? Raping pensioners?? No
doubt they're still at it in Rotherham, Just slightly more carefully for the time being.


They aren't going for terror targets, they are going after our outrage. How many times can they poke us in the
eye while we smile and do nothing, not even blame them. It seems they aim to find out.
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PostPosted: 08:43 - 28 Jul 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

We should make all the Christians wear a cross on their clothing and all the Muslims wear a crescent on their clothing so they each know who to target and leave everyone who wants nothing to do with it alone.

Oh, wait, no that's been tried before hasn't it?
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PostPosted: 08:46 - 28 Jul 2016    Post subject: Re: Christians v Muslims in the UK - how can we avoid a war? Reply with quote

Diggs wrote:
No reasonable person wants it

What's the connection to people who prostrate themselves before a wrathful sky pixie?


Diggs wrote:
Practical suggestions please.

Withdraw from the ECHR, or, Russian stylee, just ignore it.

No more fugees, no more migrants from snackbar areas. No, not even if they bleat about being persecuted Xebians. Deal with the problem as-is rather than importing more.

Instant deportation on conviction for all foreigners, snackbar or otherwise. No endless appeals, no negotiating with countries that won't take back their own refuse, no "but, but their human rights". We already bribe Abroad enough via DfiD, let's see some return on that investment.

No more stopping Brits from going off to martyr themselves. Put on flights for them. It's letting them back in that's the problem, so shred their passports as they leave.

Covert surveillance of snackbar recruiting centres and sharia courts.

Actually prosecute (and on conviction, deport) foreign national snackbaristas, rather than just constantly monitoring them.

Our home grown ones are more of a problem, and a final solution won't fly. Jailing them is counter-productive, given that prisons are also infested with snackbar (nearly 3/4 of Froggish prisoners are RoPists).

So, treat snackbar as the mental illness that it is. Anti-psychotic meds, zappy-head therapy, aversion therapy, whatever works. Give them every opportunity to come to their senses.

For the unrepentant, like all recidivist criminals, stop letting them out. Their inculcated beliefs and behaviour will never change, and the reason to keep them incarcerated remains valid.

So find some worthless piece of land uninhabited by civilised people like Stroma or Bradford, wall it off (make Saudi Arabia pay), and throw them in. Wish them the best of luck and keep the offer of free one-way flights to anywhere in the world open.
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PostPosted: 08:57 - 28 Jul 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

I hear the Bikini Atoll is jolly pleasant most of the year and no need to worry about the long term effects of sun related skin cancer due to the short term terminal issue of radiation exposure Smile
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PostPosted: 09:50 - 28 Jul 2016    Post subject: Re: Christians v Muslims in the UK - how can we avoid a war? Reply with quote

Diggs wrote:
how can we avoid a war?


Stupid fucking question....

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PostPosted: 10:31 - 28 Jul 2016    Post subject: Re: Christians v Muslims in the UK - how can we avoid a war? Reply with quote

CaNsA wrote:
Diggs wrote:
how can we avoid a war?


Stupid fucking question....

https://i.imgur.com/bPjjmHZl.png

No go, they've learned to open doors.

https://i.imgur.com/iUZ1trN.gif

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/world/waitress-attacked-by-muslim-men-for-serving-alcohol-during-ramadan-a3267121.html

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike%27s_Place_suicide_bombing

https://news.sky.com/story/suicide-bomber-injures-12-outside-german-bar-10511772
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PostPosted: 10:34 - 28 Jul 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

You need to close the borders then do nothing and wait.

The Muslim homelands are facing existential crises.

In the next 20 years most of the land in the Middle East will not be arable.

Add in the fact that oil is going out of fashion and Saudi will be broke so won't be able to fund all the unsavoury activities it is doing now.

The challenge facing Europe is when the mass exodus occurs (it's happening now). When the land ceases to be arable people will move exactly like this.

https://www.spiegel.de/international/world/drought-threatens-50-million-people-in-africa-a-1091684.html

If you can keep them out for 5-10 years then the problem will go away as famines, droughts and economics takes care of them.
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PostPosted: 10:38 - 28 Jul 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wasn't really aware of the IRA bombing campaigns as I was too young, was the mentality of Brits the same then? Get all Paddys out of the country etc.

Being someone who actually knows Muslim people and sees them on a day to day basis. I really feel for them. They are being blamed for something they have no power or control over. There is a MINORITY of nutters that want to blow shit up and they should be dealt with aggressively.

If any prolonged sectarian violence occurs it will be because of unfair heavy handed reactions by 'us' to this perceived threat. I very much doubt the vast majority want to do anything other than get on with their lives.
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PostPosted: 10:50 - 28 Jul 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Itchy wrote:
You need to close the borders then do nothing and wait.


Also the government needs to stop the laissez faire tactics and actually get involved in running the country.

The fact that took the likes of a Channel 4 documentary and an IPSOS MORI survey to tell us what's going on in the minds of the UK Muslims community is startling enough.

Trevor Philips gave us the answer. In high immigrant population areas, enforce a strict 50/50 mix of white/non-white pupils in school. They all make friends, understand each others' way of life (well, the immigrant kids feel like Brits instead of something separate) and that's pretty much the end of things. Why go to war with your mates?

chris-red wrote:

If any prolonged sectarian violence occurs it will be because of unfair heavy handed reactions by 'us' to this perceived threat. I very much doubt the vast majority want to do anything other than get on with their lives.


Precisely. Absolutely staggering that it's now reached the stage where people are openly suggesting the overall peaceful Muslim community in the UK is a threat reaching 'civil war' levels.
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PostPosted: 11:04 - 28 Jul 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Trevor Philips gave us the answer. In high immigrant population areas, enforce a strict 50/50 mix of white/non-white pupils in school. They all make friends, understand each others' way of life (well, the immigrant kids feel like Brits instead of something separate) and that's pretty much the end of things. Why go to war with your mates?



It doesn't work. It's like the USSR and forced integration. Once the forced integration is over they revert back to their old behaviours.

I went to such a school 50% white, 50% Pakistani 3 Chinese and one Shia. The Shia was mercilessly taunted and went as far as buying a gun for a massacre but was stopped by Mr Kerslake one of those rare great teachers you still remember 25 years later.

It exacerbated the divisions and there was very little mixing. There were fights between both groups all the time.

The few times I saw unity was the final year. The violence subsided considerably. Some of the Pakistani teens earned respect by going on cross country runs with us even though they hadn't eaten and I only got my nose broken 5 times that year too.

In college the same factions developed across the same lines.

In University the same factions developed across the same lines too.

Today 25 years later the town is still clearly divided. One side of the town 100% Pakistani cross a main road and it becomes 100% white.



Myself? As somebody subject to violence, taunts and abuse by both groups? Like hell do I care if they destroy each other.
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PostPosted: 11:09 - 28 Jul 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wot Roger said.

We've got to do something about those lefties as well.
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PostPosted: 11:25 - 28 Jul 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

chris-red wrote:
There is a MINORITY of nutters that want to blow shit up [...] I very much doubt the vast majority want to do anything other than get on with their lives.

It's certainly very comforting to believe that, and feelings matter more than facts.

Definitely do not read this, it'll trigger the beJeebus out of you, and you'll have to resort to "Yehbut, muslims don't really believe what they say they believe," which just leads to even more cognitive dissonance. Crying or Very sad

https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/7861/british-muslims-survey
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PostPosted: 11:28 - 28 Jul 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Part of the solution surely has to be combatting the spread of extremist ideology on the internet. This is how IS recruits and spreads it's propaganda of hate. I'm no tech. geek, but aren't there ways to do this?
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PostPosted: 11:30 - 28 Jul 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

No,
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PostPosted: 11:35 - 28 Jul 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Itchy wrote:



It doesn't work. It's like the USSR and forced integration. Once the forced integration is over they revert back to their old behaviours.

I went to such a school 50% white, 50% Pakistani 3 Chinese and one Shia.


Well, I went to a school full of whites, blacks, Hindus, the lot and I think it helped quite well the whole live and let live attitude.

Conversely, my mates from super-white areas seem to be the most upset about the immigration problem.

Also, my mate from Bradford, of Pakistani parents, said his school was basically 100% Pakistani, to the extent that it really was an enclave community and they had the same sense of division between themselves and whites. He said the first time he went to Leeds he thought all the white people looked the same.

I think if these two quite divided groups were plonked in school together a fair few of them would grow up with quite different attitudes. It's surely a step in the right direction.
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PostPosted: 11:36 - 28 Jul 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

chickenstrip wrote:
Part of the solution surely has to be combatting the spread of extremist ideology on the internet. This is how IS recruits and spreads it's propaganda of hate. I'm no tech. geek, but aren't there ways to do this?


Nope.

This:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CcZdwX4noCE

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Hell the PRC can't control it especially with the use of substitution in language.

For example f*** your mother.

In standard Mandarin it's cào nǐ mā (肏) f*** (你) your (妈) mother

Is substituted with 草泥马 grass + mud + horse.

Cao+lei+mah

Which is phonetically identical to f*** your mother.
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PostPosted: 11:36 - 28 Jul 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Itchy wrote:
Saudi will be broke so won't be able to fund all the unsavoury activities it is doing now.

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Yep...must be costing them a fortune buying knives so they slit throats of vicars and/or people on trains and also hire a van to mow down a groups of people.
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PostPosted: 12:08 - 28 Jul 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

chris-red wrote:
I wasn't really aware of the IRA bombing campaigns as I was too young, was the mentality of Brits the same then? Get all Paddys out of the country etc.

Being someone who actually knows Muslim people and sees them on a day to day basis. I really feel for them. They are being blamed for something they have no power or control over. There is a MINORITY of nutters that want to blow shit up and they should be dealt with aggressively.

If any prolonged sectarian violence occurs it will be because of unfair heavy handed reactions by 'us' to this perceived threat. I very much doubt the vast majority want to do anything other than get on with their lives.


Not really, but while the terrorism was the same, people died, there wasn't the same 'us and them' feelings. The Irish didn't hide in their own little enclave, speaking a different language, trying to have religious laws enforced. As I've said before, it wasn't a religious war, it was a war of attempted independence.

You couldn't tell a person was an Irishman until he spoke whereas I'm damn sure I can spot the majority of Muslims across a busy street.

From what I am saying it seems integration is the answer however I don't believe you will never ever get complete integration from a Muslim because how many times do you hear 'I'm as Muslim first and British second.

Look at how Muslim counties treat non Muslim religions. Saudi does not allow Christianity to be practised in its country. No Churches are allowed. You aren't allowed to take a bible into Saudi Arabia. Yet Saudi funds the global rise of Islam and gets away with everything by being the 'friend' of the west. Rolling Eyes

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PostPosted: 13:07 - 28 Jul 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
chris-red wrote:
There is a MINORITY of nutters that want to blow shit up [...] I very much doubt the vast majority want to do anything other than get on with their lives.

It's certainly very comforting to believe that, and feelings matter more than facts.

Definitely do not read this, it'll trigger the beJeebus out of you, and you'll have to resort to "Yehbut, muslims don't really believe what they say they believe," which just leads to even more cognitive dissonance. Crying or Very sad

https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/7861/british-muslims-survey


Would be interesting to see what a survey on BCF would come out like with such questions as...


Should car drivers who carelessly hit a bike go to prison?
Should bikes be exempt from Speed Limits?
Should bikes be VED exempt?
Should there be Motorcycle only roads?
etc.

We'd all be portrayed as single minded nut cases too.

Only one in three would report a somebody close to them who had become involved with jihadists? Maybe they would talk to them, maybe they would stage an intervention with the community at a mosque. If you had a mate and you found out he was doing something dodgy would you grass him up straight away or trying to help him.

Sympathising with suicide bombers doesn't mean they agree with their actions.I take they as they understand their motives doesn't mean they agree with there actions. Did they ask if people thought it was the right thing to do? I bet the numbers were ridiculously lower if they had.

I sympathise with Marvin Heemeyer doesn't mean I want to go on a rampage.

Using statistics and yes/no questions you could make black white if you wanted.
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PostPosted: 13:07 - 28 Jul 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Itchy wrote:
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Part of the solution surely has to be combatting the spread of extremist ideology on the internet. This is how IS recruits and spreads it's propaganda of hate. I'm no tech. geek, but aren't there ways to do this?


Nope.


Then perhaps having provided them with the tools to wage their war, and being completely unable to control those tools ourselves, we deserve everything we get. Hey, maybe the robots will get us first Smile Anyway, good luck everyone. I'm off to ride my bike* - poxy islamists will never know how good a modified Fazer 1000 is Smile

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