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fatjames
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PostPosted: 15:17 - 10 Aug 2016    Post subject: New Duke of Westminster Reply with quote

Just a thought.
Inheritance Tax is 40% when an estate is over £325,000 and this young lad just inherited £9bn.

I wonder what the will country be doing with the £3.6bn heading our way?
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PostPosted: 15:43 - 10 Aug 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Voted funny! As if.
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PostPosted: 15:50 - 10 Aug 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

I realise this isn't a serious question, but can't resist.

Of course most of his wealth will be in Trusts and business assets that attract relief such that virtually no IHT will be paid.

IHT is easy to avoid, and accounts for less than 1% of total taxes collected by HMRC.

The little that is collected is not ring-fenced, so free to be spent on speed cameras / surface dressing roads etc.
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PostPosted: 09:26 - 18 Aug 2016    Post subject: Re: New Duke of Westminster Reply with quote

Lets say there was no way to avoid it at all.

If you were going to die, would you happily carry on keeping companies running that you owned running, knowing that they would be decimated when you passed them on to your children?

Or would you pass money to your children a long time before, disbanding said companies if needed.

Ok; we could tax all gifts to children.

But I can't see that going down well.
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PostPosted: 09:56 - 18 Aug 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

All taxation is theft.

Stealing from the rich is no more moral than stealing from the poor.
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PostPosted: 10:14 - 18 Aug 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
All taxation is theft.

Stealing from the rich is no more moral than stealing from the poor.


Exactly,

No such thing as morality, only money in the eyes of HMRC.
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PostPosted: 17:09 - 18 Aug 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

That much money is probably more bad than good.
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PostPosted: 17:22 - 18 Aug 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

It'll be all part of a trust
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PostPosted: 19:33 - 20 Aug 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Actually taxation is not theft, unless paying rent is also theft, which case it would be theft also. You have a choice of whether you live in the UK or not, just as you have a choice of whether you live in a place and pay rent. Think of tax as a rental cost of living Britain, but at least theoretically the national rent is spent on services for you, not profits for your landlord. The landlord is also willing you pay you if you don't earn enough, which is a particularly interesting rental feature.
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PostPosted: 19:40 - 20 Aug 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Britabroad wrote:

But as Rob said above, IHT will be distributed into untaxable funds by the rich, so in reality it's only us poor bastards who actually get stung!

You poor bastards inheriting more than £325k from one person or over £650k from a married couple.
And from next year there will be an extra allowance of £100k rising each year to £175k for property.

Anyone with a net worth more than that to pass on should certainly be looking at their options as they are pretty easily available to 'normal' people with those sorts of funds I believe.
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PostPosted: 01:24 - 21 Aug 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

I find it strange that anyone disagrees with the overall concept of taxation for the public purse.

As if their lives haven't benefited immensely from it since the day they were born.
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PostPosted: 07:34 - 21 Aug 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lord Percy wrote:
I find it strange that anyone disagrees with the overall concept of taxation for the public purse.

As if their lives haven't benefited immensely from it since the day they were born.


Hmm, I do disagree with the level of taxation though.

Taxed on our wages at source, then pay council tax. Want to drive to work to earn money to pay your tax? You pay tax on the fuel, then VAT on the total figure (tax on a tax!?). Want to drive over the Dartford bridge or into the centre of London in your car, yep you need to pay more tax. That's also not including the VED (tax) you pay to use to the roads in the first place.

I live on a new build that the local council hasn't adopted so I have to pay a "service charge" for this, which is fine, but I have to pay council tax too.

Do you not think it's all getting a bit silly?
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PostPosted: 08:25 - 21 Aug 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lord Percy wrote:
I find it strange that anyone disagrees with the overall concept of taxation for the public purse.

I find it strange that anyone agrees with the overall concept of Nanny State choosing where to spend my money on my behalf.

DfID. Trident. Ecowashing subsidies. Empire building. Tramp washing. Wasting money educating mongs who are only fit to stack shelves. Paying interest on a national debt that should never have been run up. Financing baby farmers. Services for Johnny Abroadlander, including but not limited to: housing; policing; translation; legal defence; health; child benefit for Abroadlander children living Abroad.

When I get a say in where my stolen money is spend, then I might not resent it so much.
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PostPosted: 09:14 - 21 Aug 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lord Percy wrote:

As if their lives haven't benefited immensely from it since the day they were born.
Even if they haven't ever paid any themselves. Can't say fairer than that... Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 09:30 - 21 Aug 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
Lord Percy wrote:
I find it strange that anyone disagrees with the overall concept of taxation for the public purse.

I find it strange that anyone agrees with the overall concept of Nanny State choosing where to spend my money on my behalf.

DfID. Trident. Ecowashing subsidies. Empire building. Tramp washing. Wasting money educating mongs who are only fit to stack shelves. Paying interest on a national debt that should never have been run up. Financing baby farmers. Services for Johnny Abroadlander, including but not limited to: housing; policing; translation; legal defence; health; child benefit for Abroadlander children living Abroad.

When I get a say in where my stolen money is spend, then I might not resent it so much.


Aye well this is certainly where the problem lies.

Definitely would be a worse state of affairs if people were left to fend for themselves and their families and individuals from the day they're born, however. Wealth enclaves, gated communities, ghettos, no-go areas, slums etc would be commonplace. India is a good example I think. Proper mess.
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PostPosted: 09:44 - 21 Aug 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

We've had 70 years of cradle-to-grave handouts, throwing money at the lowest common denominator, and rewarding the worthless for procreating.

How's that working out for us? 0 would be perfect Corbyn-approved equality.

https://equalitytrust.cnd.io/sites/default/files/Gini%20Coefficient%201977%202013.jpg

Remind me: what's the definition of insanity?
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PostPosted: 09:49 - 21 Aug 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:

Remind me: what's the definition of insanity?

Tut Tut that phrase refers to continuing with the same thing - the general consensus is we should be doing MORE of that thing!
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PostPosted: 11:55 - 21 Aug 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
We've had 70 years of cradle-to-grave handouts, throwing money at the lowest common denominator, and rewarding the worthless for procreating.

How's that working out for us? 0 would be perfect Corbyn-approved equality.

https://equalitytrust.cnd.io/sites/default/files/Gini%20Coefficient%201977%202013.jpg

Remind me: what's the definition of insanity?


Well it seemed to have worked out sort of okay up to a point.

I'd say insanity is pushing forward with the changes that led to the sudden rise in that GINI index graph you've given.

Here's a better version it:

https://www.the-crises.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/gini-index-uk.jpg

So by abandoning aspects of the state-wide, 'for the people' ideals and letting the apparent free flow of capital take hold, things only got worse. I genuinely can't see things being any better at all if it becomes a free for all.

But yes, it's true tax could be far better spent.
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PostPosted: 12:24 - 21 Aug 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
All taxation is theft.

I look forward to you migrating to Somalia, or some similar libertarian paradise.

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Stealing from the rich is no more moral than stealing from the poor.

Property does not exist without government. Ownership is a human invention, encoded by laws. There is no such thing as theft without taxes. A lawfully controlled monopoly on violence is the only reason you can have much of anything.
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PostPosted: 12:25 - 21 Aug 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Your assumption being that under Thatcher, the rich got richer and the poor got poorer?

Why's that then?
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PostPosted: 12:29 - 21 Aug 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
poor got poorer?

Tut Tut again - the politics of jealousy is quite happy with the poor being much better off, providing other people are doing even better.
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PostPosted: 12:43 - 21 Aug 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Everybody had an Audi Quattro in the 1980s.
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PostPosted: 13:04 - 21 Aug 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
Your assumption being that under Thatcher, the rich got richer and the poor got poorer?

Why's that then?


No, the assumption is that inequality worsened.

A high GINI index means a smaller amount of people hold the majority of wealth and thus have easier control over, well, everything.

It's like playing Monopoly, in real life!
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