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MahatmaAndhi
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PostPosted: 13:16 - 22 Aug 2016    Post subject: Motorbikes Under 2M Long Reply with quote

Hi,

I've recently passed my test and am now looking for my first 'big bike.' However, a guy on the next street recently had his Honda CBR stolen and about a year ago I heard a guy across the street had his bike stolen too. So I would like to keep it in my back garden as I do with my current bike, a Zontes Monster.

I know that my Monster is 2,000mm long and even at that length, it's difficult to get it in the back garden. So, for security purposes, I'd like for my next bike to be of equal or shorter length.

I'm not expecting anyone to be able to reel off then lengths of bikes off-heart, but if you know of any smaller shorter bikes then I'll look into the length and see if it's the one for me.

I've been looking for something around 300-650cc. And my budget is going to be hundreds, not thousands so it'll probably be an absolute junker.
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PostPosted: 14:22 - 22 Aug 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Most bikes that aren't big old cruisers should come in under or around 2m.
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PostPosted: 14:29 - 22 Aug 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

I could get my XR in my garden in one go, and that's longer than the MT-03 which takes a 3 point turn as it has less steering lock. Also wider bars make it more difficult.

Just something to consider.
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PostPosted: 14:41 - 22 Aug 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bandit 600 is 2060mm, GPZ500S is 2095mm, CB500 is 2090mm.

You'll struggle to find a common, cheap (i.e. not a Buell) 300cc+ bike that's under 2m.

I'd be looking at modifying the access rather than limiting your bike choice. At that budget, you can't be choosy anyway.
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PostPosted: 15:01 - 22 Aug 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Appreciate the responses so far. I wish I could modify the access, but it is a neighbour's house and their shed (shared access.)
My front garden is another option, but it's much more visible, so I'd need to invest a lot more in security.
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PostPosted: 16:32 - 22 Aug 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

in your front garden you can look into ground anchors etc, it's easier to make life difficult for theft on your own ground than on the street.

what divides your garden from the road? if it's a hedge stop trimming it and let it grow taller to help hide the bike.
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PostPosted: 18:18 - 22 Aug 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

MahatmaAndhi wrote:
Appreciate the responses so far. I wish I could modify the access, but it is a neighbour's house and their shed (shared access.)
My front garden is another option, but it's much more visible, so I'd need to invest a lot more in security.


It's not all about the length you know. Shifty
My Bandit 600 was infinitely easier to fit through the gate than my CB500, but that was mainly due to the 500 exhaust sticking out so much.

Anyway Wonko is right, if you can leave it out front, just look at security.
I've had several attempts made on my bikes, only successful one was when it had no chains on it. (Lesson learned)

Every other time they just dented my £40 chain, scratched my pragmasis ones then fucked off.

https://securityforbikes.com/products.php?cat=Chains+%28without+padlocks%29
Look at a 16mm or 19mm, and consider they can be used for every bike you ever own. (barring very rare circumstances)

FYI this is the £40 chain that 90% of radgey shits have failed to bolt crop on my bikes:
https://www.amazon.co.uk/MOTORBIKE-MAMMOTH-SECURITY-THATCHAM-APPROVED/dp/B01CUIQYBI/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1471892507&sr=8-4&keywords=mammoth+chain
I now check the chain daily for new signs of cropper dents, it's just a matter of time, holds up amazingly well though.
I don't need to check the Pragmasis ones, cause "lol".

From personal experience I would say only uneducated in the art of theft opportunist kids try to steal scootehys, 125s, and shit commuters.
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PostPosted: 22:21 - 22 Aug 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

You've got it chained to a ground anchor or something immovable in the back garden right?
Saw a post fairly recently about someone whose bike was stolen from the back garden and the thieves had tied the back door so they could stop them in time. Iirc they just smashed the disc lock and steering lock and walked it away.
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PostPosted: 06:41 - 23 Aug 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

A lad across the street from me used to keep his 125 YBF in his garden, and now that his misses has done one he wheels it into his living room and keeps it there. Laughing
This isnt a sugestion haha, just something amusing I thought i'd mention.
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PostPosted: 07:53 - 23 Aug 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

JoeDaStudd wrote:
You've got it chained to a ground anchor or something immovable in the back garden right?
Saw a post fairly recently about someone whose bike was stolen from the back garden and the thieves had tied the back door so they could stop them in time. Iirc they just smashed the disc lock and steering lock and walked it away.


Nah. It's under a cover, but that's it. That said, they'd have to wheel it past two neighbours' houses (one nosey neighbour that's up until all manner of hours watching TV in his kitchen) and then go through the hassle of getting it around the irritating corner. Currently I have to position the bike as best I can and literally lift the back end up and around to get it through. This is why length is such an issue. If I have a bigger bike, it's undoubtedly going to be heavier. A lot heavier.

The chain which Tim mentioned seems like a good shout, combined with my disc lock. I currently have nowhere to anchor it, but I did read about drilling a hole in a wheelie bin, putting in a metal bar for the chain to wrap around, then filling it with rubble or anything else heavy.

I think I'll invest in some kind of CCTV that'll look out of the front window on to the bike as an extra deterant.
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PostPosted: 08:11 - 23 Aug 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

MahatmaAndhi wrote:
literally lift the back end up and around to get it through.

You won't be doing that on a bigger bike.


MahatmaAndhi wrote:
I think I'll invest in some kind of CCTV that'll look out of the front window on to the bike as an extra deterant.

A dummy camera will have exactly the same deterrent effect, and will be very nearly as useful in recovering the bike. I'd spend the money on physical security.
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PostPosted: 08:28 - 23 Aug 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

They key word is 'extra.'
I would definitely be investing in physical security first and foremost.

Here's a pic of my front garden (ignore the National Grid barriers. They'll be gone in a week or so):
https://i.imgur.com/da5SZ31.jpg

The visible fence panel comes off. I was thinking of fashioning it in to a gate with a few hinges and extra wood to strengthen it.
My wife's happy with me putting more slabs down near the solid fence, but no so much with concreting it as we'll be selling in a year or two.
I am thinking that I'd anchor it to the wall or with the wheelie bin method mentioned before, put my disc lock on the back and stick a CCTV camera in the bay window facing the bike. That should deter anyone from nicking something which'll probably be worth about £600.
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PostPosted: 09:21 - 23 Aug 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fair point, if you're going to go for a 16mm+ Pragmasis chain and a decent anchor, then anything else is gravy.
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PostPosted: 14:00 - 23 Aug 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

What about something like this for your back yard?

https://www.machinemart.co.uk/p/clarke-mcd1-motorcycle-dolly/?da=1&TC=GS-020110139&gclid=CMiI7_nY184CFRIz0wodQZwH-Q
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PostPosted: 19:19 - 23 Aug 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

MahatmaAndhi wrote:
Garden

Purchase a large deep flagstone to put in the middle, cheapish ground anchor (Dare I say it, even the Oxford ones are stronger than a lot of chains), Job jobbed.
You will likely need an SDS drill and something around a 13mm masonry bit to fit the ground anchor though.

If you go for a decent sized chain, you will struggle to fit it through most ground anchors, but the place I linked above also sell an "anti pinch pin" to go through the anchor and both ends of the chain.

The wheely bin idea would work a lot better if you filled it with as much cement as you can.
Plastic pipe etc through the bin to put the chain through.
However that would require a rather long chain.

Aceslock wrote:
What about something like this for your back yard?


Yeah but then he would have to ground anchor the dolly Razz
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PostPosted: 07:00 - 24 Aug 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Commuter_Tim wrote:



Aceslock wrote:
What about something like this for your back yard?


Yeah but then he would have to ground anchor the dolly Razz


Op already suggested it is safer in the back garden as it is out of sight, plus the nosey neighbour so need for ground anchor Laughing
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PostPosted: 08:21 - 24 Aug 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Aceslock wrote:


It's a good idea. But wouldn't work, I don't think. Here is the space which I have to work with (with regards to the back garden:

https://i.imgur.com/6stEyPI.jpg

I think the idea of going around the back every day is unfeasible. I'm limiting my choice of bike (on a budget that's already peanuts) and it'll be too much of a ball ache. I'll invest in security and hope for the best. Third party fire and theft was quoted as £117 for a Kawasaki GPZ 500, which I think is good. If it does get nicked, I'll weigh the excess vs just buying a new one at the time and take it from there.

All the same, I appreciate the ideas and responses.
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PostPosted: 11:04 - 24 Aug 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 07:33 - 26 Aug 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Did he have a chopper?
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PostPosted: 10:48 - 26 Aug 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Looking at that image I think you're onto plumbs. I squeeze my ER6 in through a garden gate and past a large picnic table which is REALLY tight (theres a technique - good for security!) but that looks like a nightmare in comparison.
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PostPosted: 11:39 - 26 Aug 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

MahatmaAndhi wrote:
Currently I have to position the bike as best I can and literally lift the back end up and around to get it through.

Learn to use the sidestand as a pivot. You don't have to lift the bike - as long as you have room to do the manoeuvre you can just lean it onto the sidestand, swivel, and drop it back onto its wheels.
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PostPosted: 20:32 - 26 Aug 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wouldn't nosing past the recess and reversing it in work?
Looks a bit tight to be spinning on the sidestand.

I wouldn't leave a bike on show, I'm fully aware of the scrotage quotient of my habitat.

Check the turning circle stats too, it's not just about the length she says
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PostPosted: 12:43 - 28 Aug 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

MahatmaAndhi wrote:

I am thinking that I'd anchor it to the wall


Anchoring to a brick wall isnt going to be very secure and you could end up cracking a brick and you said you were planning on selling the house in the near future. I would lift one of the slabs and dig maybe a foot and a half cube ,pour in the concrete then anchor to that then when its time to sell the house pull the cube out with a 4x4 or dig it out , fill the hole and pop the slab back on.
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PostPosted: 18:59 - 28 Aug 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd recommend digging in your front 'garden' and putting a load of concrete down with a pipe and chain through. Then put a slab or plants over the top. When you sell the house people won't notice if there are plants over the top or you cover it with a slab.

Make sure your chain and lock is good though as people will try and steal it .
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