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XJdan
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PostPosted: 10:16 - 25 Aug 2016    Post subject: Upsising front wheel??? Reply with quote

Hi All,
I am custom modifying my 1998 XJ600N and would like to run enduro tyres to give it a different look. However I am finding the standard wheel size 17 inch front limits what tyres I can use. Has anyone upsized the front wheel to run an 18inch rim? What are the knock on effects? Brakes? Handling? Clearance? I will be realigning the mud guard so that should not be an issue?

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Danny
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stinkwheel
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PostPosted: 10:44 - 25 Aug 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

It'll jack the front end up 1/2". Perhaps more depending on the tyre profile you fit.

That will increase the effective rake angle. Make the bike slower to steer and require more force to push it down into corners.

If you're offroading, this may be what you want anyway.

Or you can compensate by jacking up the rear end by a similar amount (fitting shorter dog-bones on the shock linkage) or by dropping the forks through the yoke by the same amount the wheel has raised the bike.

Make sure the new, bigger wheel isn't going to foul the front of the frame/engine at full suspension compression.

Also check the speed rating of any tyres you decide to fit.

It'll probably handle like a complete bagowank on enduro tyres because they'll have a narrow, high profile. So you've been warned.

If you want knobbly looking tyres for use on the road for purely cosmetic purposes. I'd go for Pirelli MT60RS or Avon Distanzias. The Pirellis have epic levels of grip but don't last long. These are both available in the 120/70 R17 size. A bit wider than standard for your bike but similar in ride height and should fit on the standard rim.
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lihp
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PostPosted: 10:48 - 25 Aug 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:
or by dropping the forks through the yoke by the same amount the wheel has raised the bike.


If you wanted to do it properly. You'd need to do a bit of trig to get the ride height correct again as the forks aren't vertical.
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stinkwheel
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PostPosted: 10:53 - 25 Aug 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

lihp wrote:


If you wanted to do it properly. You'd need to do a bit of trig to get the ride height correct again as the forks aren't vertical.


True. Or physically measure the height to the headstock. Which would be simpler.
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lihp
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PostPosted: 10:53 - 25 Aug 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:


True. Or physically measure the height to the headstock. Which would be simpler.


But I'm a nerd Laughing
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G
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PostPosted: 10:58 - 25 Aug 2016    Post subject: Re: Upsising front wheel??? Reply with quote

There are actually some significant dangers associated with this, I'm afraid.

The real cost can be a lot higher than it looks on the surface.
It may seem a bizarre question; but do you plan to have children?
I'm sure those tight jeans you'll need to wear won't help.
There's the beard-care products; that's going to eat into your fuel budget.

The bike you've chosen isn't a light bike.
You're intentionally choosing to put on a significantly worse tyre as far as performance goes.

You should fine some options for 17" tyres. It'll likely perform a bit better and be massively less hassle.
A proper enduro front tyre is a 21".

You could get a wheel made up that would fit, but it's going to be a load of hassle and, if you have to ask the question in the first place; probably expensive.
Normal people will likely point and laugh, but of course "they don't get it" because you're "ahead of the curve".


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MarJay
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PostPosted: 11:23 - 25 Aug 2016    Post subject: Re: Upsising front wheel??? Reply with quote

XJdan wrote:
Hi All,
I am custom modifying my 1998 XJ600N and would like to run enduro tyres to give it a different look. However I am finding the standard wheel size 17 inch front limits what tyres I can use. Has anyone upsized the front wheel to run an 18inch rim? What are the knock on effects? Brakes? Handling? Clearance? I will be realigning the mud guard so that should not be an issue?

Many Thanks

Danny

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MarJay
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PostPosted: 11:26 - 25 Aug 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ok, so let's just elaborate on my post with all the GIFs.

Most people with wheels which are NOT 17" want to change to 17" because it gives them the best selection of sticky tyres. What you're trying to do is to make your bike worse for the purposes of looks. It'll be horrible to ride, and only appeal to people who pay fifteen quid for exotic cereal and say they liked it before it was fashionable.

It's stupid, and it's possibly dangerous and at least you're doing it to an ancient XJ and not some future classic.
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PostPosted: 15:56 - 25 Aug 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Roadholding and practicality are not #1 on everyone's list.

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MarJay
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PostPosted: 16:14 - 25 Aug 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

doggone wrote:


That's the same argument as the Anti Vax crowd. "Preventing disease is not at the top of everyone's list! Vaccines cause AUTISM which is much worse than being paralysed by Polio or killed by measles."

Or Religion: "allowing gay people to lead normal lives is not #1 on everyone's list, it's not allowed in Leviticus!"

I'm only giving the same advice to people who want to tune and modify bikes. If you want to make a bike *insert adjective here* at least start with a bike that is already *insert same adjective here* and make it moreso.

This works for *fast* *ugly* *hipsterish* *off road capable* *handle nicely* etc etc.
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G
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PostPosted: 16:19 - 25 Aug 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

If people are happy to make a bike significantly worse to ride, spending a lot of money and time in the process - up to them if they accept that.
Though does provide some amusement when they come to sell...

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Hopefully someone else got a rear seat for a good price out of this Smile.
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PostPosted: 20:19 - 25 Aug 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Save the money, after you sink stupid money into it, it will still be a bloody Divvy.

Save and buy a dual sport if you want to hit some greenlanes.
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wr6133
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PostPosted: 20:50 - 25 Aug 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

G wrote:


Clearly needs at least another rear shock
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MarJay
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PostPosted: 20:57 - 25 Aug 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

G wrote:
If people are happy to make a bike significantly worse to ride, spending a lot of money and time in the process - up to them if they accept that.
Though does provide some amusement when they come to sell...

https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/vV0AAOSw-itXqhkk/s-l1600.jpg

Hopefully someone else got a rear seat for a good price out of this Smile.


I actually quite like that, apart from the fake twinshock... Embarassed At least it's functional apart from the fake twinshock... It has 17" wheels, decent suspension, sticky tyres etc.
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