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Yamaha Xenter 125 here. Not ABS but linked brakes. 16" wheels. Twin headlight (1 main beam 1 for full). Fuel Injected
Sips fuel. Unthrashable. Very quiet running, little windscreen, large footbed with a handy hanger for your takeaway 
Digital dash, LED rear light, Huge seat. Good coverage from legshields. 4 stroke. I think the brakes are pretty good.
Corners until it bottoms out either side leaving about a 5mm chickenstrip on the rear tyre but I've only
really ridden mine two up because I'm teaching the wife to ride it. It may be able to use the whole of the rear tyre without
the extra weight of a pillion. I still managed a displayed 68mph two up.
Fast it ain't but I suspect it would beat a CG away from the lights. I handed over 870 quid for my 13 plate.
Mines a little cosmetically tatty but that's ok the Mrs will drop it before long, but it has 6 main dealer service stamps
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mechanically sound.
Also mine is the Moto gp special edition so it has a 1000 more bhp than the fruity looking ones that come with topboxes. 
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It's not on the Honda UK website... thought it was discontinued. Where do they source their bikes from? Honda somewhere in Europe? |
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| TheInternet wrote: | Are other 125s better than a CG? |
YES!
Not that the CG125 is particularly 'Bad', but it was never that wonderful, compared to other light-weights of its own era.
It was a hasty model design, created to answer critasism of the Over-Head-Cam CB125 single being unreliable in developing markets. It's design was actually a bit of retro-engineering, reverting to push-rod valve operation, a good twenty years after Honda themselves had shown that an over-head-cam arrangement offered that much more sophistication and performance, as much reliability and could be as cheap to make, in even the most humble of utiliterian machines, the Honda C70 cub step-thru.
For a low cost, low maintenence utility commuter; the most sensibel choice was, and even before the CG was concieved been a smaller, simpler two stroke, like a BSA Bantam... but Sochiro Honda, personally despised two-strokes; he wanted his company to make four-strokes, to be taken 'seriously' as a credible maker of motorcycles; so the CG was starting from behind, it HAD to be a four-stroke.
The rivals of its own era were largely air-cooled two-stroke singles of about 100cc, which were as ecconomical, usually more powerful, and where the CG125 might have been 'low' maintenance, bikes like the suzuki B100P or Yamaha YB100 or Kawasaki KH100 were almost 'no-maintenence'. Foiur strokes need regular oil changes and tappet tickles and stuff. those two strokes, with just three essential moving parts, the piston, con-rod and crank, were almost sealed for life until they wore out and stopped running; they got an oil change every time you filled them with fuel, that was mixed with oil to lube up moving parts, or put in a seperate tank to be measured in by a pump.
Here in the UK, we saw almost NO CG125's officially imported by Honda until the mid-90's, when then new 'Test' laws called for a full 120-125cc bike to take the tests on.
Until then NO-ONE wanted a 4-stroke 125 that was slower, heavier, more expensive to buy and to insure and more demanding to look after; they bought RXS100's or KH100's or GP100's... if they were prepared to stump up the extra for a full 125, then they wanted the performance that came with it, and would have a KH125 or an RD125 or something. Whilst if they HAD to have a four-stroke, sat in the same show-room was honda's own CB100N with its Over-Head-Cam engine, that was just as economical, just as powerful, just as demanding of maintenance and cheaper to insure.
It WAS significantly the CBT rules that made the CG125 more popular; until 1991, any-one could wobble out on the road on their own, untrained, unqualified and unsupervised on L-Plates. Plan to introduce some form of 'compulsory' basic training had been proposed and intended for the 1982 125 Learner-Laws, but eventually dropped as there weren't any bike-schools to give it! so there was ten years of non-compulsory 'Part 1' testing to try and stimulate the Maggie Thatcher market economy into creating bike schools to make training compulsary.
In them ten years bike schools, if they bought bikes to offer students training on, like most learner's themselves chose 100cc two strokes, because all round they were 'best'. But with CBT and the revised capacity regs for test bikes, so they had to upgrade to full 125's, but that was co-incident with new Constriuction & Use regs and emmission controls that were threatening to make them extinct..
So they bought the 'Next Best' thing... which was a CG125....and their reputation and legend has grown out of that.
So they are not and never have been the 'Best' 125... at best they were the 'next best' to an awful lot that was in many many ways a lot 'better' for an awful lot of things!
Doesn't mean they are all that BAD... just they never deserved the reputation they have aquired to start with, which has been dramatically over inflated over the years.
SCOOTERS! - Let me tell you about the Vespa. Means 'Wasp' in Italian, and is an Aeronautical engineers joke; Aeronautically speaking, a bumble bee shouldn't be able to fly; its wing-span is too small for its body-weight.. but no-one has told it that, so it does. Cthat designed the Vespa was an Aeronautical engineer, and hated motorbikes with a passion. Banned from making aeroplanes after WWII they gave him the job of designing a 'cheap' utiliterian commuter bike; and Its almost as if her started with the idea he wanted to design just about THE worst, least stable and practical motorcycle he could, so that they would laught at it, and give him a helicopter or something to work on....
The Vespa, and scooters in general, deft every convention of 'good' engineering design principle; they have little wheels, which is not a good start for either stability, handling or comfort. Also places constraints on how much you can mitigate matters with better suspension; but then, chopping teh middle out the frame to maker it a 'step-throu' again does not have advantages to the dynamic; may help make it lady in a skirt freindly, but reduces potential structural stiffness, again impeding stability, handling and comfort; placing the engine behind the rider; ditto! More biog design compromises, ruining inherent balence and stability, before as the vespa did, moving it even further back to sit beside the back wheel, and then moving the back wheel over to make space for it, so a Vespa is actually a 'duel track' behicle, like a car or tractor, the wheels not rolling along thw same line of the road!
ONE saving grace of the old tin-bath Vespas WAs that tin bath; all that metal enclosing oily bits made them heavy... reletively for a light-weight... and THAT is important.
An AWFUL lot of motorcycle technology has been chucked at the dilemma between building 'heavy' which does far more to make a motorcycle inherently stable and comfortable, or making them lighter, which makes them less stable and less comfortable, begging more sophisticated, and more expensive suspension and 'stuff' to compensate, but can offer an edge to performance where the engine has to do less work to shift it.
That nugget considered than; in the 125 world NO lightweight is particularly advantaged by the fact that they ARE a 125cc 'Light-weight' and the modest power imposed by that small engine, begs a lightweight construction to get the most out of it, and that lightweight construction, then blunts any gread gain from more sophisticated running gear, and almost always adds costs.
The 'Best' 125 then probably isn't a 125... if you bagged up all the features and qualities you might want in a motorcycle, and did an overlapping circles thing with them and tried to get the most performance for the least cost, the best reliability for the easiest maintenance, and the best comfort for the best handling....
You would PROBABLY find it was an early 2000's Honda CB500!!!
Bit of very well considered Honda 'Product engineering' it was designed from scratch to maximize the area under the curve, and have as broad a customer appeal as possible, delivering as much as it could to as many as it could as often as it could, for as little as it could.
Many contemprary 'Commuter-Twins' like the current fuel injected CB500, or the suzuki & Kawasaki 650 offerings, are compromised quite markedly in how much of the area under the curve they can deliver by more recent construction & Use regs that essentially demand fuel injection and a bigger engine to make the same power; and add such unnecesserily complexity and cost as anti-lock-brakes, without actually making the bike any 'better' whether that's cheaper to run, more exiting to ride or any safer....
BUT, answering your question; the 'Best' 125, just isn't.. its probably a 500..... for the simple fundemental that the added size and added weight makes so much 'sophistication' less useful, and the added capability, like not having to run the motor at the red line just to achieve, let alone sustain 70mph; having that added capacity 'in reserve' means more flexibility, less tiring riding, paddling gears, having to be sure to be in the right gear, all adding to the extra comfort you get from a bigger, better padded saddle, and twice the mass refusing to bounce about so much regardless of how crude the suspension design.
OK, then... back to 125's... and whats available in the Learner-Legal market and how much 'better' any of them may or may not be in any area over another..
First off; from design critique above of bikes in general; accept ALL 125's are compromised enormousely JUST by the fact that they ARE 125's and lightweights. THEN consider that as little bikes, of limited performance, the differences between them are never going to be all that large.
Most significant quality of a 125 Is that capacity, and the fact that it is conveniently the maximum displacement allowed in europe on an A1 motorcycle licence, or in the UK without a licence, on CBT & L-Plates.
IF that legislative restriction did not exist; then in all likelihood nor would many 125's. In other countries, where it doesn't exist, preferred lightweights are 150cc or 175cc or 200 or even 250cc, NOT 125.
So, if you want 'better' than the 125 you have.. you HAVE to ask, WHY are you limiting yourself to a capacity restriction that you DONT have to be constrained by? If you want 'better' than a CG125, then to get as much of anything as you may want, be it performance, be it ecconomy, be it reliability be it comfort; you can have any or all of it JUST for getting a propper motorbike licence.....
I have one of them... I also have a bunch of 125's..... why? Because I am MAD.
Seriously, it is a peculiar perversion, I actually LIKE the fact that they are less comfy and harder work to ride.... well, at least for popping about town or up to maybe 10-15miles cross country... much more than that and, Nah... I'll take the big bike!
I do like my tiddlers; they acre creditable motorcycles, and the ones I have can (just about) top 70mph, despite being four-strokes.. so they can achieve or even break as many speed limits as my 750.. its just harder to do it! Which might be a bit of what makes them that bit more 'fun'...
AND? they 'can' be 'Cheap'. Which is often the second and only real reason for limiting yourself to a 125.
And I say 'Can' be cheaper.
Buy prices of most 125's is significantly inflated for what you get, just because you can ride one on an L-Plate. But, take away that restriction, and you can get a bike of similar if not better condition, and certainly better performance for less money.
But running costs 'may' and again, I qualify it with a 'May' be higher.
Bigger bikes cost more to tax; that's a definite; £17 a year for a tiddler, where my 750 costs me £80. But £63? It's not a particularly 'significant' proportion of even MY £500ish a year all in annual running costs!
Insurance? I'm an old git; so I get it cheap, but, stand alone policy on the 125's usually more expensive than it is on the 750..... usually only by £10 or so, but still, difference isn't all that 'significant' and curiousely actually in favor of the bigger bike in this case!
Maintenance? This is where it might start to show; tyres for the 750 are typically around £200 a pair, compared to around £90 for one of the 125's. Other service spares show a similar disparity; with chain & sprockets being maybe twice the price, brake pads? not so much twice the price, but do tend to need twice as many.... AND, bigger heavier bike, does tend to need these more expensive service spares a bit more often... it could start to get a lot more expensive, and for many frequently does.... but usually from the way they use a bigger bike, not just the fact it is one.
Which brings me to fuel consumption; book says that my 125 ought to be able to return 90-100mpg.... book also says that my 750 shouldn't return much better or worse than 50mpg.... and fuel IS most often the biggest proportion of most peoples all-in biking costs... BUT real world.. I rarely see much over 70mpg from the 125; town riding, with lots of stop-start are not condusive to 'best' ecconomy, whilst neither is ragging the shit out of it trying to hold 60+ on the by-pass. I can, and regularly DO match that 70MPG from the 750, riding it like a 125 around town and NOT ragging the shit out of it in the country.
Back to maintenence; wear and tear that demands more maintenance depends on the loadings put on stuff; and that is sort of proportional to how you ride the thing; so it tends to be fairly well related to teh sort of fuel consumption you get; more fuel you use, more maintenance you will have to do.
BUT, big difference shown in the sales brochures between a '100mph' 125 and a '50mpg' 750, is NOT really born out in the real world, where you can actually see 30% more out of even a pretty uneconomical 750, to match or better what you are likely to really see from a supposedly 'economical' 125, wasted in stop-start traffic or cross country trashing...
Levels the playing field some-what; and running both; only real difference I 'feel' in my wallet, is that when the bills come in, they tend not to be quite as shocking on the 125.. but overall, there isn't an awful lot of difference in it.... If I was harder on the bikes, and I did more miles, then the extrapolation might magnify the difference more favorably towards the tiddler, but we'd have to be talking 'car' type annual mileage, up and over five figures a year.
BUT, that is where a 125's main strength lies; if you can make it work for you, in 'cheaps'......
If you start by buying a more expensive 'premium' 125 like a Veradaro or a CBR or a Shaddow or a YZF-R125, that can cost, new in the show-room MORE than a sensible 500 or 650cc commuter twin... then you are chopping the bollox of that capacity for 'cheaps' before you begin really!
Premium 125's err.. yeah, they MAY be a bit more sophisticated, they MAY offer an incy wincy bit more 'whatever' to what a CG or YBR may have by way of speed or comfort or reliability; BUT it is an incy wincy bit. A well fettled CG should comfortably achieve 60mph on the flat; a brand new YBR should 'just' beat it, and achieve 65, whilst a YZF-R125 might, on a good day, with a favorable tail wind, nudge ahead a little and attain a genuine 67, 68.... 69... ooh come on it CAN do 70...... if you give it a long enough bit of road and the patience to wind it up up there....... see what i mean, it is a pretty marginal difference.... get on an old CB500, and you would surge past the lot to a genuine 100mph, and it wouldn't be struggling much well past that with the potential to nudge a real 120 on a goody day, almost twice as fast.
THAT is the sort of difference you will find between ANYTHING in the 125 arena... the differences will be TINY compared to what is on offer stepping out of the L-Plate world, and onto what are usually considered by many pretty 'dull' and uninspiring biggger bikes.
Back to your CG.....
No its not and never was the 'best' 125 out there. There are 'better' 125's and these days all-round best bet is probably the Yamaha YBR125, simply because its newer; but its design is pretty much just as crude as the old CG's, and its greatest virtue is still cheapness and easy to live with 'in the catalogues' commonness. As far as how it rides, you would likely not notice any major difference in 'grade' betrween the two, and if you did, its almost certain that that difference would be down simply to the bikes condition, not its design.
Moving away from the YBR, and looking at premium 125's... yup, there will be a difference in how they ride; wont be huge; difference will be fractional not factorial, like the differences in speed, in almost everything BUT the costs, where a premium 125 will start costing more right from the start in its purchase price, then in its insurance, and likely on into its maintenence and upkeep; which begs teh question is that small difference in how it works, worth the big difference in what it costs, or is it chucking the baby out with the bath-water....
AND brings us back to the fact that hampered from the outset in having to be lightweights, If you want 'more' then to see any real marked difference and do 'better' you aught be looking at bigger and heavier bikes... and if you can stand the added costs of a 'premium' 125 for that bit 'more' you are likely to find you get an awful lot more 'more' of whatever more you want and not have to pay SO much more for it.....
And ALL it takes to get at it, is about an hour of your life to sit the tests for a full licence.
Stuck with a 125, for the only valid reason there is; you are under 19.. then... CG is an old fella, and will have lived in a world of learner-commuters, being used, abused and neglected mercilessly by folk who either dont know how to look after it, or who are too lazy or too tight and disinterested to do so. Learner-Legals frequently live pretty harsh lives. And tend not to have all the spring freshness they could very often.
A couple of old race track mantra's for you to ponder:-
- Want a better bike? Fit a better rider! Better rider will go faster, crash less, wear out less, use less fuel and get more out of whatever bike they are on... no mods required!
- Before looking for 'more' than standard, make sure you have all you should AS standard.
As comparison to more modern YBR... any difference you note would most likely be down to condition; SO you are more than a little likely to see far MORE of an 'improvement' over your CG... spending a little TLC on it!
A decent pair of new back shocks are not likely to be all that expensive; but are likely to dramatically improve the ride; especially if you buy a better pair, rather than cheapo-get me through an MOT items.
Ditto the tyres; decent pair of new, good quality boots will do far more to improve ride quality and handling than buying a potentially sloppy alternative bike with dubiuouse rubber on it. (and certainly more likely to do more to help save you crashing than AB-effing-S!)
After that; overhauling the front end; replacing the fork seals and fork oil often sorely neglected on a light-weight as long as its not leaking, but hard used, especially by more 'reactive' learner riders, in stop start traffic snatching the brakes a lot or practicing e-stops.
Again, likely to do more for comfort and performance and safety than another bike or a bit of electrickery!
Good suspension, keeps good tyres on the floor, to transmit maximum traction... helps you steer as well as stop as well avoid such a numb bum! ABS will just stop a wheel from locking if you panic snatch.... and that wont stop you 'skidding' or going down in a panic snatch.. so tell me WHICH is more useful... ABS or good tyres and new fork oil?
More: Overhaul teh front brake; replace teh pads, again with decent quality ones, not cheap-through a MOT ones; whilst in there clean the piston and remove and clean the float pins, and grease them up when you put it back together.
Change the brake fluid. Good chance NO-ONe has ever done it! Grease the brake lever pivot. Oil the clutch cable, even buy a brand new one for a tenner.
New clutch can be quite a significant improvement too; so sorely used by learners and town traffic made to slip so often.
There's SO much you could do to a typical CG125, or other 125 Learner, to make it 'Better'... ~IF you want to chuck money at the matter....
And you are like as not to see much more 'better' for it than trying to find an alternative design that delivers any...
BUT... small displacement lightweight bikes; the scope for better any where with any of them is not very large and IF you want to see a significant 'better'... you wont really find much until you start looking at heavier bikes that inherently have the greater potential to deliver it.
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Quite, it's about 3500 words, that's half a dissertation. Alas most of them seem to be answering the question in the thread title as opposed to the opening post. I'll bear that in mind in future postings.
| Teflon-Mike wrote: | I rarely see much over 70mpg from the 125 |
Don't know what sort of 125 that is but it's appalling if that's town riding. As mentioned I get 115-120mpg with mine and don't hang about, maybe Mike needs to 'fit a better rider'? 
I think Mike is correct to say sorting good tyres out has a huge bearing, and is the only thing I could readily improve in a cost-effective fashion.
The CG I have is in very good condition, I can't abide things not working as they should. Despite this the NVH are pretty poor, not to mention the questionable handling. I find it hard to believe general refinement hasn't improved with newer designs.
The best course of action for me is to probably go and try some other bikes, MSX, SH125/300, XMax 125/250 etc. Will see if I can find an NC750 just for completeness, although the power is utterly unnecessary for me.
ps. 'WHICH is more useful... ABS or good tyres and new fork oil?'
I'm aiming for ABS and good tyres and new fork oil. There seems to be a perception amongst some that ABS is sought to replace good equipment, good habits etc., whereas for me it is in addition to it. I would hope to never need ABS in the same way as I hope to never need a helmet. |
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I found the bike reacted differently in the same situation, even on the hill start leaving the basement at work, most times the rear would squat down (only rear brake applied) but sometimes the whole bike would.
Just my opinion but if you panic and slam on the brakes (to the point where you lock up and crash), you're going to panic and do something else stupid. The main thing's a) not to panic and b) to develop a feel for the brakes. The latter is even more important if you move onto big bikes with much more powerful brakes.
I used to get 85mpg out of my XR, according to MCN they got 87mpg out of both the YBR and CBF.
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