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PostPosted: 09:14 - 07 Sep 2016    Post subject: May you live in interesting times - WW3 Reply with quote

So, who feels this is going to stay proxy/economic...

Anonymous are bordering on tin-foil hat territory, I grant you... but there is not a single mention of lizards in the whole video.

Other sources are saying similar things, the dollar is toast, and they are going down swinging.

Hillary Trumpageddon is just the terrifying beginning...

Oh, sorry, Brexit was...

Oh no,actually Syria was.

Video here;

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PostPosted: 09:24 - 07 Sep 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jet fuel can't melt steel beams!

I like to think this is one massive conspiracy but as time goes on I seriously believe that incompetence is the true driving force.
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PostPosted: 10:57 - 07 Sep 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 11:03 - 07 Sep 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-hUR3WQfc1A
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PostPosted: 12:52 - 07 Sep 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

An Official Anonymous video WITH ADS. Got to keep that ad revenue running for the underground resistance Very Happy

We're experiencing the fall of Rome Mk2. The economy and monetary system is bankrupt and based on thin air. The supply system and everything else is based on just in time, short term profits and no long term planning.
The unwashed masses just need to be satiated with enough gibs, worthless electronic toys and cheap tat to keep them amused, alongside the overpaid celeb culture of the vacuous, to remain completely apathetic and ignorant.

If current tensions don't result in an accidental nuclear armageddon, then the Western culture will fall in a series of steps into the next Dark Age. The zombie meme that has been circulated will become a reality, only the ((((zombies)))) won't be undead infected by a virus, unless you call survival strategy and, "I want what you've got" a virus. We've seen the army of gibsmedats, and the, "We get what we want or riot" mentality, encouraged and whitewashed by idiot liberals and the sociopaths in power, with their own agenda to push, while sliming up the hierarchy ladder.

Expect this to get exponentially worse, and don't underestimate the human capacity to bury it's head in the sand and pretend nothing is there until it's too late.

One way or another we are collectively fucked. Everything your ancestors built as a culture will be gone. The empire and populace has become too decadent to survive, and will be cleansed one way or another. Expect nothing but chaos and death.
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PostPosted: 12:54 - 07 Sep 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

The steel beams thing is interesting... I take the point that they don't need to melt to fall over, just be weakened... but the rubble did include a lot of melted steal microspheres... meh, I don't even care about the main buildings.

Building 7 is the smoking gun, so to speak.

But yeh, current world events are really getting spooky. The dollar is terrifyingly precipitous, the last decade of petrodollar wars have brought us to this point.

China, Russia and America... all suffering currency issues, all feeding their people a staple diet of bullshit, and all armed to the bollocks with nukes.

And like they say, America is now holding tactical nuclear cruise missiles... that can only end well.
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PostPosted: 13:01 - 07 Sep 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

ThoughtControl wrote:


We're experiencing the fall of Rome Mk2. The economy and monetary system is bankrupt and based on thin air. The supply system and everything else is based on just in time, short term profits and no long term planning.


Yes.

Pretty much this. It's a very tough thing to plan for actually.

I rate my chances in a "third world shit hole" better than a Western country though. You bitches got winters and military in police cars Laughing
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PostPosted: 14:47 - 07 Sep 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 15:49 - 07 Sep 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

When I said "Jet fuel can't melt steel beams!" I was not being serious, I have no idea whether it can or not. It seems to be the cry of the tinfoil hat brigade whenever 9/11 is mentioned.

The world probably is doomed, these things may well be one massive conspiracy. I expect we'll never know either way so save yourself the stress of worrying over it and live in a bubble.
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PostPosted: 15:59 - 07 Sep 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Personally I can't see armageddon on the horizon and I think a random internet blogger using Microsoft Sam to give a voice to a massive essay he probably put up on Reddit first is hardly worthy material for Anonymous who, as far as I remember, used to be known as hackers and data-revealing types whose primary purpose was to embarrass immoral people or otherwise shed light on facts they thought the public ought to know.

The video in the OP seems more like a thing written by a kid who plays too much Call of Duty and now thinks the whole world is always, always living on a knife edge because that's the fabricated mindset he's been brought up with via his Xbox.

Not that massive war isn't somehow possible in the future, but summing up recent history and extrapolating it to make guesses about the near future, in a video with music that I'm sure was taken from the most recent Deus Ex computer game, is hardly groundbreaking and could have been done at any time in the past few decades based on any collection of world events from the time.

We're no more on the brink of world war 3 now than we were in the relative peace after the cold war. Just ask Syrians if they thought thought their country would be flattened so suddenly, or Falklands veterans if they expected to lose some of their mates to the Argentinians that year. War isn't so easily predictable.

It's often possible to look back and see the various events that led up to a big war. But it's not quite so easy to look back and see which events stopped a war. I suspect there have been plenty more war-stopping events than war-starting events, specially between countries with nukes who'd rather not go down the M.A.D. route. So to sit in fear of a WW3 starting is bit of a pointless gamble really.

As far as fear-mongering goes, I'd rather concern myself over the super-super-super rich '1%' types who may for whatever reason decide the world population is too high and incite nuclear war (or, given the way the weapons industry sells to whoever fronts the cash, a "one-percenter" could buy their own nuclear arsenal and fire away indiscriminately without anyone knowing who started it) to reset humanity for the hell of it, from the safety of some mountain retreat in the arse-end of nowhere with enough tins of beans, fresh water and non-radiated air to keep them going for a century.

Overall I'd be more fearful of rich folk playing god, rather than governments (who do still represent the people in various ways, and are therefore of a slightly higher moral footing) squabbling amongst themselves. I suppose this is the crux of what makes me into a left wing loony type. Too much money in the wrong private hands isn't a very good state of affairs.
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PostPosted: 16:19 - 07 Sep 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

About steel beams: I'm ready to be told otherwise but I think jet fuel can melt steel beams.

There's a concept used in physics known as a 'blackbody', which is essentially the idea of an object that absorbs all incident energy. The energy stays within the blackbody and hence it can't escape. Therefore heat also does not escape.

Extend this to real life - make a closed space where it's very difficult for heat energy to escape - and you could easily have situation where enough jet fuel is burning in a space, without an outlet for the heat, such that the energy builds up to a higher temperature than that at which the fuel naturally burns at.

I mean the centre of the sun is hotter then the surface, but it's all the same thing burning.

You can use anything to heat anything, the only issue is insulation and/or how fast heat is dissipated. There are also factors like pressure, air density etc. Plenty of things could change the heat in there.

Having said all this, I think 9/11 was an inside job. More telling to me is the fact that the three high rise towers all came straight down, miraculously resembling a controlled demolition.

Oh and this...

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PostPosted: 19:27 - 07 Sep 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not going to watch the video because they'll get me Shifty and boring.

However the problem with conspiracies is that you need more conspiracies to prove the original conspiracy, and before you know it you're following a conspiracy religion with Alex Jones* shouting at you every night.

I don't believe 911 was an inside job, purely because I don't believe it could be that well covered up, and I mean in terms of actual evidence. All I've seen is one structural engineer saying yes they can collapse in those circumstances, and another saying no they can't. Great who do I believe Rolling Eyes

Certain things are obviously staged, Osama Binbag miraculously being killed, in the runup to an election where the incumbent resident was seen to failing on foreign policy. Also a complete lack of evidence, despite them previously being fine with parading captured dictators, or showing pictures of them or their sons dead. Oh sorry we had this:

https://static4.businessinsider.com/image/4dbf1f8dcadcbbeb4e150000-506-253/heres-who-was-watching-the-bin-laden-raid-in-the-white-house-situation-room.jpg

Not staged at all Thumbs Up I suspect they discovered Mr Binbag had died or more than likely been dead for a while, and came up with this for the above reasons, and to justify the conflict in Afghanistan (which it still doesn't justify).

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PostPosted: 20:05 - 07 Sep 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

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About steel beams: I'm ready to be told otherwise but I think jet fuel can melt steel beam. And some conspiracy theory nonsense.


Oh Percy, I thought you were a man of science. Structural integrity is gone long before steel actually melts. Once those steel supports have weakened the concrete collapses floor by floor.

I don't believe the terrorists understood how effective the 9/11 attack would be, but that's all it was, a terrorist attack.
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PostPosted: 20:49 - 07 Sep 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Burning hay makes steel beams droop like spaghetti.
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PostPosted: 21:10 - 07 Sep 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Steel beams do NOT have to melt to lose their shape or strength. Steel melts at about 1350 degrees C but will start to glow dimly at about 500 degrees. If you took a 1" steel bar, like a weight lifting bar, you could never bend it personally without some kind of lever but if you heated it to just 2/3 of it's melting point you could bend it quite comfortably by hand.

Added to that, I once had to do some work in a parcel depot in Canning Town which had suffered a massive fire. It was a huge hanger-sized warehouse, all-steel construction. This building was still standing but in the corner which had the fire, the steel trusses were twisted, sagged and mangled to an incredible degree. They had completely lost their strength yet none were fully melted.
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PostPosted: 21:49 - 07 Sep 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kawasaki Jimbo wrote:


Oh Percy, I thought you were a man of science.


Oh Jimbo.

I suppose I am a 'man of science', as far as the comparison with the average Joe goes, so I think I'll be able to understand quite well if you could just explain properly how this:

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Structural integrity is gone long before steel actually melts. Once those steel supports have weakened the concrete collapses floor by floor.


is the normal process by which any building with chaotic, unplanned structural and fire damage can come down so beautifully, straight down to the ground. I'm sure you must be aware that most other, if not all, skyscraper fires did not result in the floor-by-floor collapse you describe.

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I don't believe the terrorists understood how effective the 9/11 attack would be, but that's all it was, a terrorist attack.


I don't believe you understand the near impossibility of such a building collapse happening not once but three times in one day.
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PostPosted: 21:52 - 07 Sep 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Which direction do you expect a building to fall if not straight down?
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PostPosted: 21:53 - 07 Sep 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

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It's amazing, the length some left wing communists will go to in their Muslim apologist efforts.



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PostPosted: 22:17 - 07 Sep 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pete. wrote:
Which direction do you expect a building to fall if not straight down?


Not quite so straight down. Specially the top parts - floors higher than the impact points - where you'd expect a major side-topple because the structural damage was only on one side.

Video footage shows a weirdly clean loss of integrity across the entire segment where the plane hit, for both buildings.

Anyway people can argue all they want about the towers that got hit by planes.

Tower 7 is the real give-away. It's so obviously a controlled demolition, to think otherwise is lunacy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=972ETepp4GI

As if a building would come down that cleanly thanks to such tiny amounts of fire, if even possible at all.

"Fire has never brought down a steal building".
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PostPosted: 22:48 - 07 Sep 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lord Percy wrote:
Pete. wrote:
Which direction do you expect a building to fall if not straight down?


Not quite so straight down. Specially the top parts - floors higher than the impact points - where you'd expect a major side-topple because the structural damage was only on one side.

Video footage shows a weirdly clean loss of integrity across the entire segment where the plane hit, for both buildings.


You're surprised that flying 200 tons of wedge-shaped object right through a building at 150mph causes a loss of integrity? Nothing weird about that.
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