Riding Un-Restricted Is It Worth The Risk?

[bandit1990]

So i've been riding my bandit 600 for about 1 year 4 months now unrestricted. I passed under the new bike law meaning i should be restricted to 47hp. So i thought hell with it i'll just risk it and not restrict it

Has anyone on here been caught doing this or knows of anyone who has? the way i see it is the average police officer does't know a gz135 from an indian scout

i've been pulled over twice and have never been asked if my bike is restricted

[CaNsA]

Used to be pretty easy to get away with, but not now.

Coppers are more clued about about it.

[Dave70]

It's worth it, unless you get caught.

Don't ride like a dick and your chances of getting pulled and found out reduce significantly. It's always a gamble though.
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[davebike]

Your unlightly to get caught unless you g to lots of bike meet type places or ride like a dick or have a major accident

But getting caught is MAJOR riding /driving not in accordance with your licence + uninsured

Local lad got done £1000 12points 2 year ban re take all tests extended versions
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[Hahadumball]

was so easy to get away with, i know a lot of people who rode unrestricted.

swim got pulled over unrestricted once after accelerating away a bit quick, copper didnt understand bike laws he had no clue that he had a restriction on his license, this was partly down to how long the restriction for motorcyclists had been in, quite a while so "newer" police didnt hear about it so much... however new license laws have been spouted everywhere for years before they came in so everyone knows.

that being said, if you dont ride like a retard and get caught at 140mph pulling wheelies youll be fine
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[davebike]

They look at you bit paper if they don't like the look they take the bike and dyno it Many forces now have Dyno's met police ( London) have a mobile one
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[bandit1990]

Surely to do a dyno they would have to confiscate your bike? but they can't without reason. If they asked you to provide a certificate you could get a falsified one within 5 days?

[Rogerborg]

They can seize if they have reasonable grounds for believing that a motor vehicle is or was being driven by [you] in contravention of [your license].

A Bandit 600 claims 57kW. It would be reasonable to believe that it's still making that unless you can provide some evidence to the contrary.

[chris-red]

I did it and got away with it, I was pulled by police 3 times in my 2 years and asked to produce a (photoshoped) Certificate once. It was 10 years ago mind.
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[Wonko The Sane]

I did run restricted on my ZZR except a week or two at the end as the bike then came due it's timing and clearances so the restrictors were removed to ensure everything was done correctly and it'd run properly post restriction.

I bought it part way through restriction period (I was on the old <33bhp restriction that expired after two years.

I got pulled over on my 125cc for being on the motorway without L plates about 4 months after I'd passed my tests but never on the ZZR - I even got waved through a few stop-checks on the ZZR, advantage of buying a bike from a local police officer and wearing high vis jacket and white helmet!

While I won't advocate breaking the law even if I do think it's not the best thought out legislation, the way to do so is to not give an excuse to be pulled over, eg numberplate the correct size, check lights etc work, don't ride like a knob and possibly, follow Rogerborg's suggestion about proof of restriction.

There is, I believe, no standard or specifically recognised restriction certificate, anything from a bit of paper that came with the kit to a letterheaded paper from a garage that's now shut up shop saying "restriction kit fitted to XX 00 XXX on 12/3/14 has the same legal standing.
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[Rogerborg]

Rogerborg's suggestion is really for OP to address the behaviour that's getting him pulled over.
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[bandit1990]

I wasn't pulled over for bad behaviour or street manor, i was pulled the first time for low tire tread which was actually still in the legal limit, and the second time the police officer actually just spoke to me about the bike, he even said he might have spare parts left over from hils old bike the same model

[Ste]

Plod know a lot more now about bike licencing than they used to, I wouldn't be too confident about getting away with it now.

When I was 17 and on my '33bhp' ZX6R I was stopped by a bike cop who thought it was the biggest bike I could ride until I was 21. Sadly I was in no position to correct him.

[Arcane1729]

[Rogerborg]

[Teflon-Mike]

There's lots of different types of dynometer.

The simplest is the balance beam 'Brake'.
Essentially a steel girder welded to a car/lorry drum brake back-plate, with weights hung off it; You turn the brake drum with an engine, and then apply the brake, which tries to drag the girder round; weights hung on the girder get lifted off the ground.
Mass of weights, times acceleration due to gravity gives you the 'Brake force' on the girder; multiply that by the length of the girder, you get the 'torque' on the brake; multiply THAT by how many RPM the brake drums spinning and you have the 'Brake' Horse-Power.
Its very simple, very accurate and very reliable; but its a finickity set up, more suitable for testing engines under constant conditions rather than vehicles.

More common is the 'rolling road' inertial dynometer.
Instead of measuring the brake force, a flywheel of calibrated moment of inertia is spun up by the engine, usually in the vehicle, via rollers under the driven wheels. The faster the flywheel is accelerated the more power is being delivered to it. computations to work out what that power might actually be are inordinately more complicated; and infinitely less accurate, whilst the 'rig' has so many areas of uncertainty that its not very reliable or repeatable.. but, with a computer connected to simple sensors on the flywheel to measure the speed and hence speed change, and do so very quickly, it is quick, easy and convenient, and useful for 'fine tuning' an engine where you are looking for things like flat-spots in the power delivery from fueling or ignition, in the dyanamic state as revs change, rather than actual power or peak power in the static.

So, beam-force 'brake' dynometers are often called 'Lab' dyno's as that's where they are more often found; where inertial dynometers are some-times called 'workshop' dyno's, as that's where they are more often found, and for the last 20 years have become more common, as mechanical simplicity and dependency of computer electrickery has seen cost of them come down.

Using a flywheel, the rig need not be particularly big; and I believe the most compact commercial units, now are small enough to fit in the boot of an estate car! Looks a bit like a heavy wheel clamp! sort of a truck sized wheel in a box, with two rollers stuck out the bottom to drive the flywheel up to silly revs via a small gear train, a 'chock' to stick under a front wheel to stop the car or bike driving off the rollers, and a cable or radio link to a lap-top to record the measurements.

More powerful vehicles may need to be better strapped down onto a dyno-rig to stop them lifting or trying to drive off the rollers; but larger rigs with a roller 'ramp' that helps keep the vehicle on the rollers via gravity as well as straps, can be carried in a tranny van, or fitted to the back of a recovery type truck. Sometimes seen at bike.car shows and stuff; they are far more common in the US, but fair few over here, for the last twenty years or more.

Scootah boy round the corner actually has an older, almost 'car-boot type' in his work-shop, he was convinced to buy, by the local plod....

He uses it mainly to tune two-stroke vespas and his indecently 'quick' racing Lambretta!!!!!! He reckons it isn't really much cop for anything over about 60-70bhp; told me the biggest/most powerful bike he ever put on it was his 100bhp BMW R1200; & its likely the bike will try and throw the rollers out the back.. but for seeing if a 600 Bandit is 33bhp restricted or not? More than up to the job... if it throws the rollers away... its almost certainly NOT restricted!

Local plod at one time did ask whether he'd come out and test stopped bikes at the road-side with it; but a H&S audit, I believe put paid to the notion; instead, they gave likely lads an old fashioned 'producer' and told them to come back with their docs and some sort of 'proof of restriction'... and 'suggest' they could get a dyno print-out from scootah-boy.... who, AFAIK in five or six years, never once found a single bike that WASN'T 33bhp complient....... Fitted a LOT of FI International restrictor kits, before giving dyno print-outs on letter-headed paper, though!

'Legend' of plod having mobile rolling roads and or dynometers, then has some seed of truth; Technology certainly exists, and is commercially available whilst Scootah-boy, certainly was encouraged to get one on suggestion of Plod 'civilian contract' to operate it. Whether any forces actually have their own, or regular contractors with it, I cant say, and whether they can practically set it up at the road side, without causing hazard, obstruction or major H&S risk? Possibly....

BUT, legal frame-work around power limits does put the onus of proof on the rider, wherever any bike they may ride is declared to deliver more power than licence limits by its manufacturer; and they certainly DO have the power to impound a vehicle at the side of the road, if they have such cause to believe its being used 'illegally'....

Invoking powers outside those specifically provided by the Road Traffic Act or Construction & Use regulations for motor-vehicles; they actually have quite draconian powers of seizure for almost anything they may believe to be being used or has been used in perpetrating a crime.

Technically, they could seize any and any vehicle almost on a whim, at the side of the road, under those powers, they don't have to use the specific provisions for seizing a vehicle that is un-insured or untaxed etc.
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[Arcane1729]

Ok I found some restrictor plates for the 1998 Fazer for 20 quid, but sadly I won't get a certificate.
Is there some way I can buy these cheap ones and then go to some place which tests and hands out a certificate AND "visual plate which must be fixed to some part of the bike" like a sticker which says 33bhp which apparently FI international give according to that thread link.

If I cannot find these cheap ones AND get the certification I will buy one from Kickstart Engineering or FI International.
The trouble is Kickstart only give out a certificate not the visual plate/sticker. And FI International I have no clue about because they seem to be a mysterious company which don't appear on google except in bike forums. Do they give both?
Going to a mechanic is simply out of the question for any kind of kit I buy by the way.

Edit: Wait- Given the police can test these after I put it on- surely they can give out the certificate and the visual plate ...?

Edit 2: FI seem to be liquidated

Edit 3: You know what, I'm gonna risk it after I get the certificate and sticker!

Edit 4: I just gave the Kickstart guy a call and he said Fazers can do up to 130 when restricted- meh don't really care anymore- why risk it when 130 is more than enough to have fun with for a recent passer on the road.

[Wonko The Sane]

FI international - hah, bollocks, they'd have you believe you have to have a new certificate every time the bike is sold with restrictors in so that it's in the name of the new owner and £80 for the bit of paper thanks

under the old restriction system I used a kickstart kit which came with a certificate that's entirely different from FI international's

toilet graffiti of "reg number restricted to 33bhp on day/month/year" had as much legal standing.

is the plate to mark it as restricted a new thing? I know it used to be back before the mullet was no longer an acceptable hairstyle.
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[Ste]

FI International you say?

https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/03649373

"Company status
Liquidation"

[tom_e]