Bikes vs Cars.

[TheBikerStig]

There was an episode of Top Gear where a pro driver using a high performance car raced a pro on a high performance bike, both raced around a circuit. I think it was the Top Gear circuit but cant remember. Both were on road legal production machines. If I remember rightly, the bike was an S1000RR vs something like an Ariel Atom. The car won, but only by less than a second. The car had a time of 1:15ish and the bike time was never published, raising the question of whether an S1000RR is faster than the Veyron around the Top Gear track.

Anyway I cant find any such vids on youtube or google. Does anyone here have links to vids of car vs bike stuff? All I can find is F1 car, vs Supercar, Vs boat.
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Series 16, Episode 1

[M.C]

Not top gear but Sheddon vs McGuiness (they swapped machines): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BgDErbGgTpQ Sheddon edged it on the bike but that's probably cos he was more comfortable (than McGuiness in the touring car), and Knockhill's a tight track.

Channel 4 did a Guy Martin S1000RR superbike vs David Coulthard Red bull F1 programme which was pretty stupid (road based machine vs. racing prototype).

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[M.C]

Yeah the F1 car would be quicker over a lap, but iirc some of the challenges would have been closer. I think the F1 car just won the acceleration test, so a GP bike would have probably edged that.

Anyhoo it was more for entertainment and it was entertaining

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[arry]

On a more normalised spectrum touring cars go round Brands GP circuit in 1m 30. British Superbikes are a good few seconds quicker.

I can't be arsed to go digging but I doubt there's a circuit where F1 and Moto GP are both held where the bike gets round quicker. F1 is pretty savage in terms of outright speed.

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[reptily]

I think so to be compared at a price equal to the car and bike

[Big Jock]

Tiff was beaten by a bike in 5th gear.
Can't remember the car or bike used in the race though

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[Suntan Sid]

Up to a certain point, it's about bang for your buck!

In the real world normal people don't spunk hundreds of thousands on a trackday car!

If, in the real world, you set a limit of £20k and had to buy a new, road legal, car or new, road legal, bike and prepare it for the track, the car you'd end up with would be easily trounced by the bike everywhere!

If you upped the spend to £40k, then you're in to Ariel Atom territory, which would end up with a close race!

How much money do you think Subaru spent on the TT Lap attack car?
I've seen figures of £600k bandied around, which produced a car that was still a few mph off the lap record.
You should also take into account that the scooby got a flying start!
It clearly can't get anywhere near a TT race time, under race conditions, it physically can't carry enough fuel so would have to pit every lap! (The scooby was running race fuel, not Tesco's unleaded which the bikes use).

Once you get into silly money territory, the car is always going to win, more cc's, more grip, more brakes and they doesn't fall over, they have physics on their side.

Back on the road in the real world, pretty much any, decent, bike is going to win the, daily, traffic light grand prix, 99% of the time!
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This was the one I was thinking of https://youtu.be/QKaAwtgeLek?t=1m33s Even then the bike pulls away a tiny bit quicker which I find odd, why don't F1 cars have that anti lag boost launch where the cars just fly off the line and still seem to have decent traction.

[matlow]

It was my understanding the only place the bike was quicker than the F1 car was off the line? once the F1 car was rolling the bike was done, quicker in a straight line, much better under braking and carries more speed in the corners, due to any car being able to create more lateral grip than that of a bike.

The fifth gear one which if i remember rightly was leon haslam on a road going 1098 (not sure of std s or r) Tiff in a Gallardo. Where the bike was quicker on the straights and out of a corner but held the car up on the entry into and duration of a corner.

in reality though you need to spend x4 the amount to get close to that of a bike and you cant filter in an aerial atom
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[grr666]

Many years ago I had a Pug 205GTi. During a rather spirited blat in it out in Epping I noticed a bike behind me.
When I reached the junction at the end of the road I stopped and he pulled alongside, tapped on the window and told
me he had to work 'effing hard' to stay with me. I was only 20 something and can't tell you what bike he had, but it wasn't
a small bike. It was probably 65% car and 35% driver but still I felt chuffed. That little car was wicked, I drive something
pretty similar to the Pug now. Only nowhere near as recklessly.
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[M.C]

Cars driven correctly should be able to corner quicker than a bike, but most cagers are useless mongtards so are unable to. It's amusing the amount of cars that are right up your ar$e approaching a bend, then in a complete mess (braking mid-corner) whilst you power through the bend

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[Suntan Sid]

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I caught a lift back from Buckley to home in Stourbridge via Bridgenorth a couple of years ago with my uncle who had a Ferrari California at the time.

During the trip we were overtaken by a bloke on a 600cc sportsbike of some kind. Honda maybe? Anyway, my uncle, who is quite competitive and has done a good few track days in the car decided this wouldn't do and drove in the same direction as this chap in a spirited fashion (Not a race, officer, honest).

Frankly, it was a touch embarrasing. The car had the top end speed, especially on the A5 and probably had the mid corner grip as well, but every single time the bike would just disappear with the 30-60 acceleration out of the bend. He also had the advantage that he could take a much more aggressive line through the sharper bends as he could swing out wider than the car and clip the apex to a greater degree. He could also go for overtakes that the car just couldn't. We got as far as kidderminster before we lost him and frankly I don't think there was very much more that the car could have done. Admittedly, the car isn't top of the line, and we had two people and a load of luggage, but from where I was sitting it wasn't much of a contest really.

The main advantage of the bike is how narrow it is. The car needs a decent sized gap in traffic to do the overtake, whilst the bike, assuming the lanes are reasoably wide or there is a bit of crosshatch, isn't much affacted by the oncoming trafiic at all.

On a track is a different matter though and I suspect the deciding factor would simply be the size of the contact patch with the road. There isn't much contest there.
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[grr666]

Wifes uncle has a 458 Ferrari. When I find the right StripleR he and I are off out for a little play. I'll be sure to have
my camera running when we do. Should be fun There is that 190 odd something top speed his car has though
and a pretty savage 0-60 of about 3 seconds. Maybe a litre bike would be a better contender but I'm up for a blat anyway.
Either way it will be a right laugh I'm sure, should sho-nuf sound great at least.
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