Securing (with chains) a bigger bike?

[NJD]

So talk some sense into me, again, and tell me how you get around this issue.

So I'm (window) bike shopping and one thing I'm noticing is that many models don't have anywhere to loop a chain through the frame. With the increased weight how much of a deciding factor should this be in my options for buying? I can't help but feel that buying a bike whereby wrapping chain through and round the wheel and unmovable object is somewhat making it to easy for someone to take my investment and leave me in the poop.

So this is a more general topic rather than to one particular bike so granted it's a bit wide but here's some bikes that I've looked at, models rather than any particular examples, that I could end up settling with and fail to see any obvious frame options:

CBF 600:

https://images.mcn.bauercdn.com/upload/864/images/1752x1168/136002@Honda-CBF600-2006-mo.jpg?mode=max&quality=90&scale=down

CBF 500

https://images.mcn.bauercdn.com/upload/863/images/1752x1168/135990@Honda-CBF500-2006-mo.jpg?mode=max&quality=90&scale=down

ER-5

https://images.mcn.bauercdn.com/upload/784/images/1752x1168/103700@Kawasaki-ER-5-2006-m.jpg?mode=max&quality=90&scale=down

The bandit (or the one I looked at) had the footpeg hanger mounted to the frame so through the wheel + that + unmoveable object was an idea. On the ER5 through the wheel + underside grab rail + unmoveable object but what about bikes like the CB's + others?

Has my brain just turned to mush because late at night or an issue that you eventually get just comfortable with because no other option and bike you like? I mean whenever I go into town I'm the only one who chains my bike to something and everyone else (bandits, z100's etc) just have a steering lock + disc lock on.

Many thanks.
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[Beehive Bedlam]

You're thinking about it too much.

[Commuter_Tim]

For anything but the 600 couldn't you put and anti pinch pin above the lower crankcase? (They come with rubber sleeves but I've no idea of the tolerances for weighting a chain on the case)
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The above post is most likely nonsensical.

I ride a Bandit 600... badly.

[Ste]

If you've got to put it through a wheel then put it through the rear wheel as it's more hassle to remove & replace or to just remove and sling the bike in the back of a van than it is the front wheel.

If someone is going to go to the hassle of removing a wheel then a CBF or ER5 is unlikely to be high up on their list of bikes to steal.

Park next to a nicer bike that's secured with an Oxford chain.

[Mark_F]

My FZ6 just about has enough of a gap to get a smaller chain (around 13mm) through the rear subframe, which I also thread through the rear wheel and an anchor.

[Loui5D]

Could wrap round the exhaust link pipe?

Or get a pinch pin from pragmasis.

[NJD]

Thanks for the ideas and comments. Apologies for delay in reply been busy and all.

Threads a bit wide I appreciate given that I'm not talking about any particular model but really just wanted to gauge how big of an issue it is for others and how they get around it and or do the best with what they have. Spoilt for choice both front and rear on the tiddler so didn't want to keep looking for something that doesn't exist on bigger bikes hence question. The older ER-6F is ideal in design of the swingarm, why many other bikes don't follow that I don't know. Before you say yes the bikes in budget but insurance is like £900 2 years ncb on TPO so that's that one of the list <rolls eyes>. No, I've no idea why so expensive when many others fall between the £300-400 bracket.

Found a CBF 600 that looks appealing. I've no idea how many "what about this bike?" threads one person can make before it gets boring. £100 restriction (including fitting) and £100 delivery. £50 to get there and back and shop is minutes from the train station on other end. Tempted but not sure. Either way I'll be keeping the shop on the list since they've a wide range of stock at half decent prices <inb4 someone else says all over-priced>. No i'm not fixed on dealer bikes but seems like a good price and I've opened up to the idea of travelling to find "the one" rather than expecting on me door step. Price of restriction + delivery would easily be outweighed by big grin on face once I've got something so put that aside if you comment on that bike and or prices of bikes from that dealer, small price to pay to escape tiddler, I think anyway.

Downpipes + front wheel + object is an idea but probably mostly at home because would need to be cold to do that and waiting for that at work or when out and about would take an age outside of winter. Through chain, through wheel and round unmovable object is probably default option. Would look into pinch pin, probably have to buy something before really getting into options as just wanted to gauge general opinion.


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[Dave70]

[NJD]

[ScottT]

Put the chain through the centrestand.

[Commuter_Tim]

[Falco]

This is something I've been mulling on for a while and the best solution I have come up with (having had no access to the bike it is to be used on) is: Anti-pinch pin + Pragmasis chain (the ones with the hoop on one end so you can loop them through themselves). This gives you the absolute maximum length of chain (looping around both the bike and the immovable object makes even a 2m chain feel short sometimes).

I wouldn't worry overly about the exhaust, I have occasionally had to drape part of the chain over the exhaust after a run (~30 miles) and the supposedly heat resistant covering on the pragmasis 16mm shows no sign of it at all. Not that I would make a habit of it.

If all else fails, on the tidldler I used to run the chain through the back wheel + grab rail+ immovable object. The CG is hardly an object of desire, but the advice above about parking next to a better bike with worse security is spot on
(Seriously, the number of really nice bikes I see in every car park without even a disc lock on makes me shake my head).

[ScottT]

[Commuter_Tim]

[Azoth]

If I'm stopping at Tesco I'll put it on centre-stand, put a big chain through the back wheel and swingarm, padlock resting on the exhaust (it isn't long enough to sit on the ground, which is just as well, as a sharp hammer blow is one of the methods a thief can use). Additionally, a disc lock on the front wheel. So I'm fiddling around quite a lot when I mount and dismount. Also, switch killswitch to off.

Not going in for the product-based approach to security. Old-school methods [.] plus, for a project in the near future, a homemade immobiliser and alarm on the bike.
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