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PostPosted: 16:19 - 19 Sep 2016    Post subject: New York bombings Reply with quote

Surprised there's no topic yet. Just wondering about the New York bombings, and how it seems to have been politically managed from the start. It turns out (shock horror) they're after an Afghani' https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-37409441 and that's following the Somali who went all stabby stabby in Minnesota https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/minnesota-mall-stabbing-could-represent-the-realisation-of-us-terror-fears-a7316211.html

Just seems like they're trying very hard not to play into the hands of Trump. I understand Merkel trying to avoid any links with IS/terrorist groups (IS have claimed responsibility for the Minnesota attack), it just seems strange they would do the same in the US.
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PostPosted: 17:19 - 19 Sep 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

I guess I was thinking along the lines of it's not like the incumbent government invited over a million refugees like the Germans did. But then I just thought who they're backing (Hilary obviously) and it makes sense.

Its a good job we live in democracies with freedom of the press, or you could misconstrue stuff like this Thinking
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PostPosted: 17:57 - 19 Sep 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's barely even remarkable any more. Like Taqiyya Khan just assplained to the Septics, this is business as usual now.
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PostPosted: 21:33 - 19 Sep 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

They got him, and seem to be finally admitting that bombs going off sounds a little like terrorism Thinking
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PostPosted: 00:22 - 20 Sep 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was expecting something a little more dramatic. Pretty sure that with a few Chinese fireworks and Mums old pressure cooker I could make a pretty big bang. Its all a far cry from orchestrating the take over of four planes and flying them into national landmarks.
Don't those that run these shows realise that unless there's another 9/11 it makes that spectacular look less and less likely to have been organised by Al Keida / ISIS? Is this is the best the 'terrorists' can offer to break our will?
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PostPosted: 00:48 - 20 Sep 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's a recurring topic with the same outcome MC so maybe people are tired of it?

As to the 911 ref, see the other thread Shocked
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PostPosted: 08:16 - 20 Sep 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's the first terrorist attack/bombing in New York since 9/11, so I thought it was news worthy. What a sad state of affairs if bombs going off becomes normal (obviously it's in Iraq but no one cares Neutral).
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PostPosted: 09:08 - 20 Sep 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

M.C wrote:
It's the first terrorist attack/bombing in New York since 9/11, so I thought it was news worthy. What a sad state of affairs if bombs going off becomes normal (obviously it's in Iraq but no one cares Neutral).


No different to the UK in the 70s, 80s and early 90s when the IRA were up to their old tricks - heavily funded by the plastic paddies in the USA I hasten to add.
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PostPosted: 09:31 - 20 Sep 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Motorhate wrote:
No different to the UK in the 70s, 80s and early 90s when the IRA were up to their old tricks

Very different.

Feigned indifference was correct then, since we were busily negotiating with a well organised hierarchical mob of murderers with well defined and achievable political objectives.

Now? The objective is death to infidels. Yes, I know, top level caliphatists want to keep the money rolling-rolling-rolling in, but for the street snackbaristas it really is all about the murdering.

How do you appease or negotiate with someone who despises you simply for existing?

Turning the other carotid artery just gets you decapitated faster.
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PostPosted: 11:03 - 20 Sep 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

The bomb that went off on 23rd street was in the same location as a bomb going off in a computer game not 2 months earlier.

Does gaming then influence nutters to do such stuff? (probably)

Does this also mean that all computer users support people inspired to commit atrocities by games?

Yep it's a terror attack, performed by a muppet with a serious mental health problem who also believes in a sky fairy and probably in the sexual prowess of the inexperienced. IMO we should run him through an unwashed bacon slicer and move on with life.
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PostPosted: 11:25 - 20 Sep 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

https://metro.co.uk/2016/09/19/thieves-accidentally-defused-second-new-york-bomb-by-trying-to-steal-it-6138665/

A second New York bomb is believed to have been disabled when petty thieves stole the suitcase it was left in.

Manhattan was rocked by an explosion on Saturday which injured 29 people – but police believe another bomb was intended to go off in the busy city.

It failed to detonate after criminals dumped the explosives in a rubbish bag so they could walk off with the suitcase it was left in, local newspaper DNA reported.

It was a case of ‘Leave the bomb, take the bag,’ the newspaper said.

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PostPosted: 11:41 - 20 Sep 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

mpd72 wrote:
Mark_F wrote:
The bomb that went off on 23rd street was in the same location as a bomb going off in a computer game not 2 months earlier.

Does gaming then influence nutters to do such stuff? (probably)

Does this also mean that all computer users support people inspired to commit atrocities by games?

Yep it's a terror attack, performed by a muppet with a serious mental health problem who also believes in a sky fairy and probably in the sexual prowess of the inexperienced. IMO we should run him through an unwashed bacon slicer and move on with life.


So what you're saying is the usual Liberal response of #NTDWI?

Gotcha.


No, that's not what I'm saying.

I don't follow canned political responses, I have the ability to form my own opinions.

I also don't understand why you believe that there are only 2 opinions to have (left vs right). It seems to stem from a lack of thought (IMO) and ultra reliance in information provided by "news" outlets catering to small mindedness.
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PostPosted: 12:09 - 20 Sep 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I also don't understand why you believe that there are only 2 opinions to have (left vs right).

Most decisions ultimately boil down to a binary choice. Do, or do not do. Leg or breast. Deport or appease.
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PostPosted: 12:19 - 20 Sep 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 12:20 - 20 Sep 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
Do, or do not, there is no try


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PostPosted: 12:22 - 20 Sep 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
Mark_F wrote:
I also don't understand why you believe that there are only 2 opinions to have (left vs right).

Most decisions ultimately come boil down to a binary choice. Do, or do not do. Leg or breast. Deport or appease.


And (as you noted) decisions are somewhat different to opinions (especially opinions on complex issues).

My point is that there are lots of influencing factors for a wide variety of people. Something that you and me innocently enjoy as a bit of a getaway from real life will inspire some nutjob somewhere to do something stupid, so should we be barred because of our little getaway treat? That road leads to no-one being able to do anything because of the minority of mentals in every society.

I noted earlier what I think should happen to this guy and his ilk.
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PostPosted: 12:55 - 20 Sep 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
Most decisions ultimately come boil down to a binary choice. Do, or do not do. Leg or breast. Deport or appease.


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PostPosted: 13:00 - 20 Sep 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

mpd72 wrote:
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My point is that there are lots of influencing factors for a wide variety of people. Something that you and me innocently enjoy as a bit of a getaway from real life will inspire some nutjob somewhere to do something stupid, so should we be barred because of our little getaway treat? That road leads to no-one being able to do anything because of the minority of mentals in every society.

I noted earlier what I think should happen to this guy and his ilk.


There are nutters everywhere, but by shia (sp) co-incidence, the vast majority by a huge margin lately are Muslims.
To still keep rolling out the usual "just another random lone wolf, nothing to do with Islam mentalist" was wearing thin a few months ago, let alone now.

As soon as you hear a news story now of a random bombing or knife attack, machete attack or axe attack, you know full well the culprit will have a Muslim name and originate form North Africa of the Middle East.

At some point, even the most Liberal of lefties are going to have to wise up to this link.


You're attributing vague statements to me that I haven't made.

You also repeatedly attempt to insult me, however such attempts merely demonstrate your ignorance.

There are nutters everywhere, in every walk of life, with every concievable interest, every religion, etc. This is nothing new.

There are knife attacks pretty much every day. In the US, there are shootings every day. The majority of them don't make the news.

We have a nutter who took his fairy story too far (as many other nutters have done, not excluding those who follow different fairy stories). At this time, the majority of reported cases have a perpetrator who Muslim, but nutters of other beliefs do similar things the world over.

This isn't a binary issue.
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PostPosted: 13:05 - 20 Sep 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mark_F wrote:
In the US, there are shootings every day. The majority of them don't make the news.


Like the Iman and his associate who were executed recently in NY?

These stories did make the news, just about, but Muslims being executed in broad daylight doesn't really make sensationalist headlines and are soon forgotten
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PostPosted: 13:16 - 20 Sep 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fizzoid wrote:
Mark_F wrote:
In the US, there are shootings every day. The majority of them don't make the news.


Like the Iman and his associate who were executed recently in NY?

These stories did make the news, just about, but Muslims being executed in broad daylight doesn't really make sensationalist headlines and are soon forgotten


And a Muslim in Birmingham executed by a right wing Ukrainian, and BNP activists conspiring to make bombs etc.

They may not be as common in the news (or even in occurrence), but they do still happen, and they are all nutjobs that share similar levels of intolerance for whomever they percieve as their targets.
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PostPosted: 13:18 - 20 Sep 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mark_F wrote:
decisions are somewhat different to opinions (especially opinions on complex issues).

What good is having a nuanced opinion if it doesn't result in you making a firm decision that creates a better world?
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PostPosted: 13:37 - 20 Sep 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
Mark_F wrote:
decisions are somewhat different to opinions (especially opinions on complex issues).

What good is having a nuanced opinion if it doesn't result in you making a firm decision that creates a better world?


I have a nuanced opinion that this is not a simple issue, with simple causes, and thus simple solutions. As for me proposing an actual solution, I don't believe I have the experience or time to devote to finding the underlying causes of this type of behaviour, or that there even is one solution that would stop this kind of thing happening altogether (given that similar methods have been used by different, often opposing, groups acting in this country throughout my life).

How do you define a "better world"? One mans heaven is another mans hell, and who am I to force you to accept what I desire? (those that want to impose their perfect world suffer from similar, albeit less extreme, delusions as the mentalists doing this shit)

For the time being, and in this particular instance, the unwashed bacon slicer should suffice IMO.
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