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PostPosted: 15:25 - 21 Sep 2016    Post subject: Re: Does the UN benefit us? Reply with quote
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The United Nations just hosted a conference to promote themselves again & ask for more money, but also to get the major countries in the World to take in more refugees........again!



Adults realise that actions have consequences.

The massive refugee problem is a problem created by yourselves. Your elected and thus approved by the people as something you wanted governments chose to de-stablise entire regions. Therefore the consequences that come from these actions are for you to face.

It's very similar to felony murder. A robber tries to steal from a shop. A police officer shoots the shop keeper. Even though the robber had no gun the robber is considered responsible. Why? Because the robber created the circumstances for the shooting to occur. Felony murder is law in 46 US states.

So the refugees are a consequence of your actions. OTOH if your government said nope and declined to take part in creating those situations then the refugees aren't your problem.
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PostPosted: 15:58 - 21 Sep 2016    Post subject: Re: Does the UN benefit us? Reply with quote
Itchy wrote:
So the refugees are a consequence of your actions. OTOH if your government said nope and declined to take part in creating those situations then the refugees aren't your problem.

Eh, wha? I'm a robber so it's my fault?

Fuck off, I elected nobody.
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PostPosted: 16:11 - 21 Sep 2016    Post subject: Re: Does the UN benefit us? Reply with quote
Vifferguy wrote:

Latest UN agreement;To urge countries already admitting refugees to double the global number of resettled refugees.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-37389648


On our part, one would be forgiven for thinking the EUluminati just want more hands in Europe to push labour prices down.

Good thing we Brexited Dance!

Having said all that: The majority of people fleeing war do actually seem to be going to neighbouring countries and staying there - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-24900116
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PostPosted: 16:21 - 21 Sep 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote
Personally I find it absurd that anyone thinks the answer is to willingly accept mass migration of humans from a country, regardless if it's for genuine reasons, opportunism or whatever else.

The answer is to end the Syrian civil war and make life good for those people again, in their own land. Far better in the long run.

Given how readily there was action taken regarding Afghanistan, Iraq and Libya to name a few, it seems a bit odd how Syria is being left to rot. Almost as if someone doesn't want them there any more.
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PostPosted: 17:06 - 21 Sep 2016    Post subject: Re: Does the UN benefit us? Reply with quote
mpd72 wrote:


What has the UN got to do with the EU and Brexit?


EU member states are generally in the UN, are they not?

It was mindless jest anyway.
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PostPosted: 17:07 - 21 Sep 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Personally I find it absurd that anyone thinks the answer is to willingly accept mass migration of humans from a country, regardless if it's for genuine reasons, opportunism or whatever else.

The answer is to end the Syrian civil war and make life good for those people again, in their own land. Far better in the long run.

Given how readily there was action taken regarding Afghanistan, Iraq and Libya to name a few, it seems a bit odd how Syria is being left to rot. Almost as if someone doesn't want them there any more.


The answer was never to have interfere in the first place. Prosecute Blair and Bush as war criminals and stand back and let Assad and Russia show the west how to win a war.
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PostPosted: 18:56 - 21 Sep 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote
I thought the UN was pretty irrelevant?
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PostPosted: 20:14 - 21 Sep 2016    Post subject: Re: Does the UN benefit us? Reply with quote
mpd72 wrote:


And if we leave the EU, we'll still be in the UN.

You could just admit you got the UN and EU mixed up?


No I really didn't.

Weird that I have to justify this but if you look back at what I wrote I specifically added, "On our part..." to keep the point centred around us, the Brits, the Europeans rather then the entire world.
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PostPosted: 07:01 - 22 Sep 2016    Post subject: Re: Does the UN benefit us? Reply with quote
Itchy wrote:
Adults realise that actions have consequences.

The massive refugee problem is a problem created by yourselves. Your elected and thus approved by the people as something you wanted governments chose to de-stablise entire regions.


Are you deliberately being stupid or just on a wind-up? Tell me which party in their manefesto had stated that as part of the policies they would be planning on destabilising entire regions and furthermore, who voted for them on the strength of this? Tell me when it was put to the people that we had a choice in the bombing of Libya and Syria, the Invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan and the continued insistence on winding up the Russkis?
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PostPosted: 08:15 - 22 Sep 2016    Post subject: Re: Does the UN benefit us? Reply with quote
Itchy wrote:
The massive refugee problem is a problem created by yourselves.

"Refugees"? Eh?

Most of the Calais swarm are African benefits seekers, not Middle Easterners in such fear for their lives that they keep fleeing long after they've reached safe countries.

Apart from better sanitation and medicine and education and irrigation and public health and roads and a freshwater system and baths and public order... what have we ever done for Africa?

Oh, right, poured billions down the money hole, until enough crumbs fell from their despots' golden tables that they could afford to migrate north to the magical land filled with idiots who just give you free money in return for nothing.

The UN can sod off, and keep sodding off, then sod off some more.
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PostPosted: 08:19 - 22 Sep 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote
We could always just ignore the UN like Israel insists on doing and suffer no repercussions whatsoever.
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PostPosted: 13:38 - 22 Sep 2016    Post subject: Re: Does the UN benefit us? Reply with quote
Motorhate wrote:
Tell me which party in their manefesto had stated that as part of the policies they would be planning on destabilising entire regions and furthermore, who voted for them on the strength of this? Tell me when it was put to the people that we had a choice in the bombing of Libya and Syria, the Invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan and the continued insistence on winding up the Russkis?



Labour and the conservative party are warmongers. They've proven this time and again in the past with their military adventures. Yet 20 million people voted for them. Even though the UK runs an all in system whereby you endorse everything a party does by your vote.

Then perhaps you collectively ought to have voted another way.

This is apt:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Scorpion_and_the_Frog


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A scorpion asks a frog to carry it across a river. The frog hesitates, afraid of being stung, but the scorpion argues that if it did so, they would both drown. Considering this, the frog agrees, but midway across the river the scorpion does indeed sting the frog, dooming them both. When the frog asks the scorpion why, the scorpion replies that it was in its nature to do so.


Replace scorpion with politician and frog with people.
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PostPosted: 14:14 - 22 Sep 2016    Post subject: Re: Does the UN benefit us? Reply with quote
Itchy wrote:
Labour and the conservative party are warmongers. They've proven this time and again in the past with their military adventures. Yet 20 million people voted for them. Even though the UK runs an all in system whereby you endorse everything a party does by your vote.

Then perhaps you collectively ought to have voted another way.



You're trolling and I refuse to rise to it.
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PostPosted: 16:18 - 22 Sep 2016    Post subject: Re: Does the UN benefit us? Reply with quote
Motorhate wrote:
You're trolling and I refuse to rise to it.


Nope I think you just don't have an answer.


Like I said before:

If I break something of yours you will expect me to compensate you for the damage or a replacement.

Yet OTOH if you break something of mine you're saying I have no right to compensation or a replacement?

If you haven't noticed there are several states that were broken by somebody.
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PostPosted: 16:30 - 22 Sep 2016    Post subject: Re: Does the UN benefit us? Reply with quote
Rogerborg wrote:
Itchy wrote:
The massive refugee problem is a problem created by yourselves.

"Refugees"? Eh?

Most of the Calais swarm are African benefits seekers, not Middle Easterners in such fear for their lives that they keep fleeing long after they've reached safe countries.



Related:

Somali refugee demands Swedish citizenship - to go on holiday to Somalia Laughing
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