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trevor saxe-coburg-gotha
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PostPosted: 20:01 - 24 Sep 2016    Post subject: Could this work - heated gloves off several AAA batteries? Reply with quote

Would it be possible for, say, 4 AAA batteries to generate enough current i.e. warmth to heat gloves for use on a bike? If so, for how long? Perhaps a small 9v battery like those used in guitar effects pedals might work (or two of them). This wouldn't be too bulky or heavy - and would mean that if your bike didn't have a battery (like my old CRM), you could still have warm hands.

I haven't googled this - they may already exist. I'm thinking such small batteries couldn't really generate enough useful warmth for a sufficiently long enough time (e.g. two hours or more).
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PostPosted: 20:12 - 24 Sep 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm no expert but, to generate heat uses a relatively decent amount of power. It would probably work but I would have thought you'd run out of juice quite quickly.
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PostPosted: 20:15 - 24 Sep 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Four AAA batteries would appear to give an output of 5000mAh, if buying top brands. I would suggest something like this would be better, as it's rechargeable.

For a heat source, you can get heat mats for snake tanks with an output as low as 10W. Wouldn't take much work to fit inside a glove or mitten and the insulation should retain the heat quite well.

Should be pretty simply electrically too, bonus points if throw in a thermal cutout to avoid cooking your hands.
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PostPosted: 21:52 - 24 Sep 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

They do work, to a point. The idea is they heat your hands up, and you turn them off, letting the insulation do it's job. Designed for walking about in snow, not griping bars at 60 in the winter.
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PostPosted: 22:13 - 24 Sep 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

I can remember my das instructor had a set, had a pair of heated socks too. The other instructors took the mick out of him for it.

Sportsbikeshop.co.uk do both the socks and gloves.
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PostPosted: 22:17 - 24 Sep 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

We've had this discussion before on BCF.

IIRC Maplins used to sell a pair. They were not for constant heating though. You were to turn them on for a minute let them heat up and take the edge off the cold.

They were OK for walkers. There is a ethanol fuel version you see in military surplus stores too.

The problem is they're deemed not very useful for bikers primarily because while you're being heated you're also being cooled by the wind and even if you seal it up the stored heat won't last long against the wind cooling so you'd need it on constantly which the batteries can't take.
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PostPosted: 01:07 - 25 Sep 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

The heat jacket type brands make a battery pack for remote power.
I would look at that.
The AA home improvement would only last as long as the battery. Which would possibly be half an hour. Sad

You could use solar. Smile
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PostPosted: 06:42 - 25 Sep 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Slightly OT, but I bought a battery powered heated vest in Maplins (in a spring sale), and wired it into the mains my bike, via a 10V converter screwed onto a heat sink. 3 x 1.5V AAAs per side = 9V total, drawing 10V it runs warm without too much nipple scorching.

You could likely ghetto up something similar with battery powered gloves.
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PostPosted: 07:21 - 25 Sep 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

I diy'd a set of liner gloves from a pair of Aldi windproof running gloves in the sale bin and some beadalon stainless wire. Connectors at the cuffs, and a wire that runs up each arm and down to the waist. Cable runs on to a din connector.

It is bit of extra faff, but toasty warm hands (especially inside muffs) and cost me less than £15, some time and a bit of internet research. Been in use for three years.
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PostPosted: 12:29 - 25 Sep 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Maplins were selling AA battery powered heated gloves a couple of years ago. (Snowie tried a pair on & got an electric shock off'em Shocked )

Why try making something that already exists, you can buy off the shelf?

Bound to be some on e-bay, some-where!
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PostPosted: 12:36 - 25 Sep 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Teflon-Mike wrote:


Why try making something that already exists, you can buy off the shelf?

Bound to be some on e-bay, some-where!


Because some people like building things and because they made it they know what went into it and fixed any problems that the off the shelf versions might have.
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PostPosted: 13:36 - 25 Sep 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

One word - Samsung 7 Galaxy note Laughing
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PostPosted: 13:48 - 25 Sep 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Teflon-Mike wrote:


Why try making something that already exists, you can buy off the shelf?



Why try to piss on someone's chips when they don't even like potatoes?

IOW - nowhere did I mention making something. I have no intention of doing that - couldn't even if I had.

Sorry if me not being pissed off by your attempt to piss me off has pissed you off.
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PostPosted: 14:21 - 25 Sep 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Eh? Now I am even more confused.
Not trying to piss you off, trying to understand what you are about!
On the topic of 'current' affairs, my top ponder of the day is why my range-rover appears to go from 0-140mph, when I turn the ignition on, and then slows to 90 when I close the driver's door....all without budging an inch on the drive Confused I 'think' the answer is something to do with it being built in Birmingham..... but beyond that, it's got me mowing the bald-spot.
So, Yes, AAA's could power a pair of heated gloves; Maplin used to sell'em... why do you wonder? Seems to be more behind the question than in it.
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PostPosted: 15:49 - 25 Sep 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Teflon-Mike wrote:
Eh? Now I am even more confused.
Not trying to piss you off, trying to understand what you are about!


Whether or not some biking gloves can be made that are warmed by widely available, easily rechargeable batteries such as AAA or small 9v. I don't want to make them - never even implied this. I just wondered if they could be made, because I cannot find a pair on eBay or elsewhere. The closest is a pair of liners. So apparently the answer is no in so far as none have yet been made that work well. I.e. actually warm the hands for a couple of hours which run from bog standard batteries and are sufficiently sturdy to stave off gravel rash.
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PostPosted: 16:58 - 25 Sep 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

MCN wrote:
The heat jacket type brands make a battery pack for remote power.
I would look at that.
The AA home improvement would only last as long as the battery. Which would possibly be half an hour. Sad

You could use solar. Smile


I have one of these -

https://www.milwaukeetool.com/power-tools/cordless/2391

On the battery pack it also has a USB outlet and zips throughout the jacket for routing cable... Seriously thinking about wearing this + my knox armour shirt underneath for the winter. Could heat the jacket and some heated gloves!!
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PostPosted: 17:32 - 25 Sep 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

I find it amusing that we're sitting above a hot block of metal with wheels attached yet have to meddle with heated gloves and the like to deal with an old problem.
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PostPosted: 17:49 - 25 Sep 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

trevor saxe-coburg-gotha wrote:
I cannot find a pair on eBay or elsewhere.


Rolling Eyes Embarassed Laughing
Must be a bit blind Loads of the dammed things when you search for HEATED GLOVES .....
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PostPosted: 17:51 - 25 Sep 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jmon wrote:
I find it amusing that we're sitting above a hot block of metal with wheels attached yet have to meddle with heated gloves and the like to deal with an old problem.



It's been done.
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Imagine you have just purchased a very cheap motorcycle to see you through the winter. With a minimum of effort it's passed an MOT and you are in the process of giving it a nice coat of spray-can black to hide all the mis-matched panels. So far so good.

Now obviously as this is your winter hack you need it to help keep you warm, so bar muffs are essential. No prob, you have a set of home-made ones that will fit on nicely. But you can't help feeling that it is still lacking something......... so what do you do?

Well you could try this! Laughing

1) Put a piece of plastic pipe on top of the engine block where there is a convenient little scoopy bit.

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2) Run said piece of pipe alongside frame and up inside fairing, securing with cable ties.

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3) Affix wax-coated sheepskin mitts (which still, to my joy, carry a label stating "this is a luxury garment"! Mr. Green ) to handlebars, and run end of pipe into them.

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4) Repeat on other side.

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5) Admire finished look!

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6) Take for a quick scoot round the block as bike still not taxed and discover that as you hoped warm air is indeed being blown into the furry muffs so the further and faster you go the hotter your hands get!

7) Check out your partner's Zephyr to see if you could do the same fix to that and discover that you can't cos there is no handy scoopy bit anywhere on the head.

8 ) Look smug. (Git! lol) Then start talking about fixing a pc fan to said partner's bike to blow the air into pipes, sometimes I really worry about him............. Shocked Laughing

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PostPosted: 18:21 - 25 Sep 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

iooi wrote:
trevor saxe-coburg-gotha wrote:
I cannot find a pair on eBay or elsewhere.


Rolling Eyes Embarassed Laughing
Must be a bit blind Loads of the dammed things when you search for HEATED GLOVES .....


....AND NONE THAT SEEM TO WORK VERY WELL. I found some before - but when you start to delve deeper and read user reviews, or scan the small-print (about how long the warmth lasts or how warm that warmth actually is, etc. etc.), it seems that the products are disappointing. Either because the gloves themselves are flimsy and not as strong as average biking gloves, and or because the heating aspect is pants. So I ask again - could such gloves WORK? Meaning are they up to the job.

I concluded that half-decent biking gloves powered by a practical number of AAA batteries or e.g 9v batteries canNOT work. The heat is insufficient unless the volume of the glove (necessary to insulate against wind chill generated by actually being on a bike at actual speeds that an actual bike moves at) is increased to the point where it would be impracticable to the task of e.g. trying to thumb a horn or indicator button etc etc. etc. But I was hoping I'd be proved wrong by a BCF member who used such a kind of glove and could say yes here they are, make/model this that and the other. Etc. And give me decent evidence that they COULD work.
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PostPosted: 18:40 - 25 Sep 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

trevor saxe-coburg-gotha wrote:
So apparently the answer is no in so far as none have yet been made that work well

Ah! Well, there in lies another question! And a very subjective answer!

Why not heated grips, though?
'Cos of swapping twixt bikes?
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PostPosted: 20:15 - 25 Sep 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

trevor saxe-coburg-gotha wrote:


....AND NONE THAT SEEM TO WORK VERY WELL. I found some before - but when you start to delve deeper and read user reviews, or scan the small-print (about how long the warmth lasts or how warm that warmth actually is, etc. etc.), it seems that the products are disappointing.


So you have not actually tried any then?

A 30 min commute and they should be fine. Maybe not for a 6 hour ride though.

I think £ 18 is well worth a shot. Add in a pair of muff's and jobs sorted Thumbs Up

Or std bike gloves and some heated inner gloves.

Or go for the Itchy solution. Should be easy to sort off any bike. Very Happy
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PostPosted: 20:39 - 25 Sep 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Teflon-Mike wrote:
trevor saxe-coburg-gotha wrote:
So apparently the answer is no in so far as none have yet been made that work well

Ah! Well, there in lies another question! And a very subjective answer!

Why not heated grips, though?
'Cos of swapping twixt bikes?


My mate's Pampera doesn't have a battery, and - as noted in my OP - my CRM didn't. And some owners worry that the stator can't cope with extra load.
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