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Think ive got in at about the right time with my NC30, as more and more get smashed up on tracks they'll carry on going up. Even nice ones now are getting abit silly i think. Mines not original enough to be worth a fortune, but then i enjoy riding it rather than looking at it haha
Then the H100, always be worth more than what i paid for it i think, its in good nick and 2 strokes in general are going up, even the not so desirable ones like mine. Still id rather hang onto it... does annoy me when anything 'rare' is automatically worth a fortune, its rare cause it was naff when it was new! haha
https://i1229.photobucket.com/albums/ee475/roboff/VFR400%20NC30%201989/36D9A695-298D-43AE-9A61-2844CA975909_zpszwynysos.jpg ____________________ '88 Honda H100 SII - 89' Honda VFR400 NC30 |
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| roboff94 wrote: | does annoy me when anything 'rare' is automatically worth a fortune, its rare cause it was naff when it was new! haha |
Absolutely. Lot of talk here about "classic coz rare". My own view is that a bike has to have been very good in it's day, first and foremost. Rarity alone in my view doesn't cut it. TR1s and RE5s are rare, but classic? Hmmm... ____________________ Chickenystripgeezer's Biking Life (Latest update 19/10/18) Belgium, France, Italy, Austria tour 2016 Picos de Europa, Pyrenees and French Alps tour 2017 Scotland Trip 1, now with BONUS FEATURE edit, 5/10/19, on page 2 Scotland Trip 2 Luxembourg, Black Forest, Switzerland, Vosges Trip 2017
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| chickenstrip wrote: |
Absolutely. Lot of talk here about "classic coz rare". My own view is that a bike has to have been very good in it's day, first and foremost. Rarity alone in my view doesn't cut it. TR1s and RE5s are rare, but classic? Hmmm... |
I agree entirely, this is why, although my bikes are fairly uncommon, they aren't really ever going to become "classics", apart from maybe the Mito, they were never the pinnacle of motorcycle technology, nothing really special about any of them, "bland", I think, is the word for them. But I'm a big fan of boring and a bit unusual stuff.  ____________________ Current:1991 Honda MT50 (Soon to be a H100/MTX/MT5 hybrid), 1976 Honda Cub C70, 2005 Honda Varadero 125, 1993 Yamaha TTR250 Open Enduro , 2010 Road Legal Stomp YX140, 1994 Honda CRM 250 MK III, 1999 Cagiva Mito 125, 1992 Honda CB400 Super Four, Stomp T4 230, 1984 Honda H100s, 2009 Sym XS125K
Past:2003 Aprilia RS125, 1982 Kawasaki GPZ550(FREE BIKE!)
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I think we'll have a shortage of new 'Classic' bikes (and cars) in around 10-15 years time. Basically a bike will have to be a top end expensive superbike to justify keeping it on the road when the electronics start to play up. So although it's not difficult to swap over to a different engine management system (not cheap but not horribly expensive), getting one with all the additional functions built in will be prohibitively expensive unless you're prepared to make other changes like the gauges etc, which many see as a mongrel rather than a classic.
On top of this, the way speed limits are enforced as a money raising operation for the government which will be increased (maybe trying to make up for the dramatically reduced income from tobacco etc in the H&S modern world), many more will start to look for lower speed enjoyment. So IMO most late carb and early injection bikes will become wanted for the weekend biker as their sunny day trophy, but most newer stuff will be viewed as disposable.
But I may well be wrong  ____________________ The above comment isn't necessarily the truth and anyone that says it is, is only correct if it's the truth or they're bigger than me. |
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Youngsters who weren't old enough to ride (insure) big, stonking superbikes when they were newish but lusted after them will go through the current range when they can. When they've been married for a bit, have a couple of teenage kids and with a secure job and a bit of cash in the bank, they'll find themselves trawling through the bay of E and they will convince themselves that they really need one.
I need a YZF750sp for the same reason. In pink and white.
So you're looking at early R1s, Fireblades, 916/748s, Hyabusa, zx10, GSXR1000 perhaps even zxr750, zx7r, TL1000s. 125cc 2 strokes, Mito, RS etc will always be popular by those forced to ride a cb125 at the time.
This demand for the big/fast stuff will then drag up the prices of the 'lesser' models R6, CBR600 etc etc as the full fat ones go up even higher.
After that, you're into niche markets, for example early Ducati 900 monsters are starting to creep back up in price after bumping around at £1.5-2k for a couple of years (they only made the S2r for a couple of years so fingers crossed it becomes even more desirable ).
However IMO, stuff like the kawasaki w650 will have such a limited market that they'll either be completely worthless, or there will be a small fan base that absolutely thinks they're the best thing in the world - as an example try and buy a Honda C90 C70 / C50... |
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| chickenstrip wrote: | | roboff94 wrote: | does annoy me when anything 'rare' is automatically worth a fortune, its rare cause it was naff when it was new! haha |
Absolutely. Lot of talk here about "classic coz rare". My own view is that a bike has to have been very good in it's day, first and foremost. Rarity alone in my view doesn't cut it. TR1s and RE5s are rare, but classic? Hmmm... |
I think you've picked a couple of bad examples there.
The RE5 and TR1 didn't hit the spot of the buying public, but, if more recent reports are to be believed, neither of them were bad bikes.
In fact, the TR1 was, allegedly, the bike that the punters wanted, according to Yamaha's market research, but when they delivered, the punters did their usual fickle thing and f**ked it off.
A better example would be my 650 Katana - an average bike in a slightly marmite suit of clothes; is it a classic?
Those "in the know" think it is, but I can't sell the bugger and I've got a nice one, that's been advertised at a realistic price. ____________________ Things get better with age; I'm close to being magnificent........
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Yamaha FZR 400
https://raresportbikesforsale.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/Screen-shot-2011-07-05-at-6.25.40-PM.png
Never sold in the UK but a very common import. Considered cutting edge at the time.
"Best handling bike ever made."
"The original race rep."
"My first sports bike."
I believe prices right now might be at the lowest point they will get.
Give it 10 years and the guys who imported them will be wanting to buy them back - trouble with this theory is that they are small sporty bikes and therefore not ideal for older riders. Even through pink glasses...
Also, everyone who imported one probably did so because they couldn't afford a two-stroke at the time so the two-strokes will always win.
Also, parts can be a pain to find which will affect the prices.
I wouldn't be too disheartened if it ended it's life in a ditch - I love riding it but I bought it cheap and it's tired. ____________________ [/bullshit] |
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I'm with Pidgeon with the CBR600F Sport. The best handling bike I have ever ridden bar none. Leant it over so far going round the Melbourne loop that it folded the pegs up and ground my boot into the ground until there was a 4 inch hole in the side, powerslides on the way out too.
I know they are a bit old but,
CBR600F, the first one, the one with the plain Blue/White or White/Red or Red/White, the ones that have CBR in the stripe which goes from the front lower of the fairing to the end of the tailpiece. I reckon they will go up over the next few years.
One I sort of hope (but don't really care) goes up in value is the pre-EXUP 1987-1988 FZR1000, ive got 2 original red/white/blue ones. They were (for me anyway) the first proper big supersport bike, faster than a GPZ9R, proper beam frame, great 5 valve engine, the front end feels better the more you push it, I still cant believe how quick they spin up, 160mph and roomy fairing built for proper sized blokes. The pegs are high, the reach long, and the clutch crap, till you get used to how to launch it. I used to trackday mine back then, top end of the inter group, 13 year old bike, bog standard apart from the pipe, the oldest bike there by 9 years, bloody great it was, in particular I remember embarrassing some Blade riders id met the day before at Kawasaki City in stoke who sniggered when I told them what I was doing their trackday on.
It was the bike I owned when I met my Mrs, so she was happy that i'd bought one to "restore". It was the first bike she had ever rode pillion on too, first time she ever sat down on any bike, and we didn't stop till we got from Stoke to the services at J8 M5. I laughed, she didn't, by Pembrey she had cheered up a bit, but not much. ____________________ M.O.B. Successfully taking the piss since 2014. |
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| Rogerborg wrote: | | trevor saxe-coburg-gotha wrote: | Don't [get a CBR600F]. There are literally squillions of them. |
How often do we see people say "I can't believe the price of $BIKE today, 10 years ago you couldn't give them away. " ?
I'm thinking another 15 or 20 years, assuming that we're still allowed to have ICE vehicles on the hover-roads then. |
The fact that there were, or are, loads of 'em means they had mass appeal, so there'll be more bespectacled, rose tinted, weekend warriors looking for them, in a few years, to re-live their yoof! ____________________ "Everybody needs money, that's why they call it money!"  |
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I think you've picked a couple of bad examples there.
The RE5 and TR1 didn't hit the spot of the buying public, but, if more recent reports are to be believed, neither of them were bad bikes.
In fact, the TR1 was, allegedly, the bike that the punters wanted, according to Yamaha's market research, but when they delivered, the punters did their usual fickle thing and f**ked it off.
A better example would be my 650 Katana - an average bike in a slightly marmite suit of clothes; is it a classic?
Those "in the know" think it is, but I can't sell the bugger and I've got a nice one, that's been advertised at a realistic price. |
Well, for me, a true classic is a bike that in it's day, i.e. when it was available to buy in the showrooms, the buying public did just that, and did it because it was more or less universally accepted as a benchmark bike, the best of it's kind. Current 'classic' motorcycle press are just as susceptible to failing to grasp this imo, and market research into what Joe Punter says he wants also won't do it. The proof of the pudding is in the eating, and those two bikes just didn't make folks drool. ____________________ Chickenystripgeezer's Biking Life (Latest update 19/10/18) Belgium, France, Italy, Austria tour 2016 Picos de Europa, Pyrenees and French Alps tour 2017 Scotland Trip 1, now with BONUS FEATURE edit, 5/10/19, on page 2 Scotland Trip 2 Luxembourg, Black Forest, Switzerland, Vosges Trip 2017
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| lingeringstink wrote: | My crappy 1976 MZ is apparently a highly desireable classic bike, or at least it WOULD be if I spent about four grand totally restoring it back to showroom (ugh!) condition. I've been watching with irate amazement as MZ shitheaps get bought and sold all over Ebay for stupid money much like Bantams did just before they went entirely extinct BECAUSE THEY WERE SHIT AND NOT WORTH THAT SORT OF MONEY.
I don't care how old or "unique" an MZ is, it's just a terribly dull bike originally manufactured on a budget as disposeable transport for a grim communist populace who couldn't get anything else.
Nowadays they've mostly all been snapped up by The Midlife Crisis Brigade who have hoarded garages full of Ebay MZ tat bought for FAR too much money and then they "build" (or have somebody build for them) a bog standard 1974 TS250 out of bits, spending far too much money on getting the insignificant little details absolutely correct (No, you're WRONG! They didn't paint the widget screw adapter until 1977!) in the end riding the thing twice a year to some cafe or layby where other sad old bastards congregate on Sunday afternoons to stand and stare at each other's bikes, and then once the magic has worn off (very quickly with an MZ I would think) they try to flog these "showroom" abominations back on Ebay for insane prices.
Once a bike's "worth" exceeds it's worth as a bike it is doomed. An old shitty bike is worth far more in FUN than as a monetary investment.
The upshot is that, like Bantams, MZ's will now totally disappear from use because nobody in their right mind would pay THAT much for THAT bike and they will sit unsold and unused in garages rusting away until the old bloke dies and his kids have it hauled off to the tip and sadly something that should have been a source of cheap fun and transport for new test pass riders evaporates like a fart in the wind and the only affordable thing left to new riders are cheap secondhand Chinese scooters that only serve to put anybody off bike riding forever.
The only thing still original on my unintentional ratbike is what's left of the frame, and although it's not worth a fiver to anybody I love it BECAUSE it's worth nothing, cheap to operate, easy to fix and totally unique. It gets me from A to B reliably with a smile for peanuts and I will ride and enjoy it even though it will never be a classic anything and will never, thankfully, become a museum piece bought and sold by classic bike nerds who never actually use it.
Ironically many of the bits on my bike that at the time you couldn't give away are now "worth" something, such as the classic BSA petrol tank, the vintage Japanese TLS front wheel, the classic car SU carb and the vintage air in the tyres. |
I found this 'Future Classic' thread fromn a number of years ago,. Then I found this majestic post within.
Nine years on was anybody right? ____________________ Now: A100, GT250A, XJ598, FZ750
Then: Fizz, RS200, KL250, XJ550, Laverda Alpina, XJ600, FZS600 |
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| pompousporcupine wrote: | of the bikes i own:
yzf600r thundercat - almost certainly has a good chance of being a classic.
Since buying mine, i've noticed prices rising. Its a genuinely good bike that does it all and i can see that working to its advantage as time goes on/more get written off or stripped.
Finding a decent low mileage one for cheap is quite a challenge |
WRONG! ____________________ Now: A100, GT250A, XJ598, FZ750
Then: Fizz, RS200, KL250, XJ550, Laverda Alpina, XJ600, FZS600 |
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