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TheArchitect
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PostPosted: 12:27 - 03 Oct 2016    Post subject: Insurance claim for stolen bike - asking for original docs Reply with quote

Starting a new thread for this as the responses might be helpful for others in the future.

My bike got stolen over the weekend. Spoke to insurance this morning. Gave all the usual details about how it happened and that I wasn't riding the bike at the time it got put into the back of a van. I'm covered for TPFT with £250 excess for theft.

Insurance have now asked for originals of the V5c, MOT cert, keys and fobs before they will even start to process the claim.

I don't mind sending any of this, but is it really necessary?
What if they lose it all and i'm left with no original documentation proving I was the owner of the bike. Naturally I will keep high res copies of everything but still. I know a lot of government offices don't recognise scans/copies of official documents these days as they can so easily be shopped.
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PostPosted: 12:46 - 03 Oct 2016    Post subject: Re: Insurance claim for stolen bike - asking for original do Reply with quote

TheArchitect wrote:
Insurance have now asked for originals of the V5c, MOT cert, keys and fobs before they will even start to process the claim.
I don't mind sending any of this, but is it really necessary?

If the bike's gone then they're no use to you.
Why do you think you need them?
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PostPosted: 12:52 - 03 Oct 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had to do this with my bike that was written off

Only problem is I had a fine (yes i know) from dvla for not telling them iIhad had thebike scrapped as they forgot to send it off
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PostPosted: 12:58 - 03 Oct 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yup, very normal. They are taking ownership of the vehicle, so need the documents. Take copies of everything and send recorded delivery.

Good luck with the sharks from the insurance company trying to pay you pittance for your bike. Hate them...HATE THEM. Twisted Evil
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PostPosted: 12:59 - 03 Oct 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd send them by Special Delivery so there's no question or doubt about when they were delivered. Thumbs Up

I'm pretty sure that asking for the docs and keys is quite normal, it seems as good a starting point as any in terms of verifying that you did actually had the bike and deciding what it's worth.
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PostPosted: 13:03 - 03 Oct 2016    Post subject: Re: Insurance claim for stolen bike - asking for original do Reply with quote

Alpineandy wrote:

If the bike's gone then they're no use to you.
Why do you think you need them?


TheArchitect wrote:
What if they lose it all and i'm left with no original documentation proving I was the owner of the bike

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PostPosted: 13:04 - 03 Oct 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

That'll be the V5 which says "THIS DOCUMENT IS NOT PROOF OF OWNERSHIP" on the front of it. Wink
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PostPosted: 13:05 - 03 Oct 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

What happens if you genuinely lost a key (or, indeed, bought it second hand with one key), and only had one key for the bike - would they then try to claim that you'd been negligent? I.e. they could claim that you must've left the missing key in the ignition, hence the theft - hence no insurance payout thankyouverymuch.
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PostPosted: 13:06 - 03 Oct 2016    Post subject: Re: Insurance claim for stolen bike - asking for original do Reply with quote

goto10 wrote:
Alpineandy wrote:

If the bike's gone then they're no use to you.
Why do you think you need them?


TheArchitect wrote:
What if they lose it all and i'm left with no original documentation proving I was the owner of the bike


The bike's gone.
If it reappears then it'll be the property of the insurance company.
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PostPosted: 13:07 - 03 Oct 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

goto10 wrote:
they could claim that you must've left the missing key in the ignition, hence the theft - hence no insurance payout thankyouverymuch.

NO.
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PostPosted: 13:16 - 03 Oct 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

andyscooter wrote:
I had to do this with my bike that was written off
Only problem is I had a fine (yes i know) from dvla for not telling them iIhad had thebike scrapped as they forgot to send it off

I assume you bought the bike back from them and scrapped it. Otherwise it would be the Insurance Company that had scrapped the bike.
Wouldn't it?
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PostPosted: 13:22 - 03 Oct 2016    Post subject: Re: Insurance claim for stolen bike - asking for original do Reply with quote

Alpineandy wrote:

Why do you think you need them?


No need for them at all as long as I have the money in my account. Just curious about sending all the documents before any mention of what the payout will be and when. I've had experiences with insurance companies where they "forget" or "misplace" things, which then leaves me liable to prove they existed in the first place.

or... am i just being paranoid?
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PostPosted: 13:30 - 03 Oct 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Send by Special Delivery and once they've been delivered phone them to confirm receipt.
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PostPosted: 13:32 - 03 Oct 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd assumed you'd already been given a figure.
If the documents are confirming everything you've told them about the bike already, I'd be inclined to call them and ask them when you'll received the money, and when they say 'after we receive the documents' you can say "OK, they'll just confirm everything I've already told you, so please confirm you'll be sending me £XXX" and see what their response is.
If the figure they give you isn't sufficient then ask them what you need to do to get them to pay the correct amount.
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PostPosted: 13:33 - 03 Oct 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ste wrote:
Send by Special Delivery and once they've been delivered phone them to confirm receipt.


Makes sense. I must be in hyper-paranoia mode and with a general mistrust of insurance companies it doesn't help!

Also making a point of collecting adds of similar bikes currently for sale for price comparison sake.
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PostPosted: 13:34 - 03 Oct 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

<arry> Is this a condition precedent to cover? </arry>

If not, you should probably kick off a complaint on that basis (then start adding their other messes to it), in addition to sending off the stuff by Don't Lose Me post.
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PostPosted: 13:47 - 03 Oct 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just take photos of them all and fire em off, they are pretty useless to you now mate.
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PostPosted: 13:50 - 03 Oct 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alpineandy wrote:
andyscooter wrote:
I had to do this with my bike that was written off
Only problem is I had a fine (yes i know) from dvla for not telling them iIhad had thebike scrapped as they forgot to send it off

I assume you bought the bike back from them and scrapped it. Otherwise it would be the Insurance Company that had scrapped the bike.
Wouldn't it?


It was actually the company that picked up the scoot forth dimension scrapped it but insurance company paid me and had my v5
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PostPosted: 13:57 - 03 Oct 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alpineandy wrote:
goto10 wrote:
they could claim that you must've left the missing key in the ignition, hence the theft - hence no insurance payout thankyouverymuch.

NO.


I love how direct you are, leave your key in your bike... let me know how it goes.
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PostPosted: 13:58 - 03 Oct 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
<arry> Is this a condition precedent to cover? </arry>


Borg, would you mind translating? sounds like it might be useful.
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PostPosted: 14:04 - 03 Oct 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

TheArchitect wrote:
Rogerborg wrote:
<arry> Is this a condition precedent to cover? </arry>


Borg, would you mind translating? sounds like it might be useful.


It means; is it written anywhere in your insurance documents that you MUST have, and be able to produce:
a) 2 sets of keys and all associated fobs
b) V5c, and;
c) Current MOT cert.

in order to payout for theft.
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PostPosted: 14:05 - 03 Oct 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

DrSnoosnoo wrote:

It means; is it written anywhere in your insurance documents that you MUST have, and be able to produce:
a) 2 sets of keys and all associated fobs
b) V5c, and;
c) Current MOT cert.

in order to payout for theft.


aah ok. i'll check that. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 14:28 - 03 Oct 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

The point here is if it turns up tomorrow and you wish to withdraw the claim, then you'd have sent them stuff they don't need to have.

Until they've given you a firm offer and you've accepted it, I would keep everything with you. They can assess value from photocopies.
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PostPosted: 14:38 - 03 Oct 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Paddy. wrote:
Alpineandy wrote:
NO.
I love how direct you are, leave your key in your bike... let me know how it goes.
Whether you've got 2 keys or only 1 key can't be used as a reason to decline a claim. If they want to be difficult then they may ask why there's only 1 key but having just one can't be a reason to kick it out.
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PostPosted: 14:59 - 03 Oct 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alpineandy wrote:
Whether you've got 2 keys or only 1 key can't be used as a reason to decline a claim. If they want to be difficult then they may ask why there's only 1 key but having just one can't be a reason to kick it out.


What if you have no keys, because I have a bike with no keys.
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