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iCraig
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PostPosted: 23:48 - 24 Feb 2005    Post subject: Corrosion? Reply with quote

Just wondering how people fight off corrosion when using bikes in this weather?

As I seem to be loosing the battle with my GPZ, as I keep spotting patches of rust everyday!

So what do you do to ward it off?
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PostPosted: 23:50 - 24 Feb 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Clean it and use plents of WD40 to keep the crap out.
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PostPosted: 23:51 - 24 Feb 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

I ignore it and hope that it just gets bored of me and goes away.

It works too. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 23:58 - 24 Feb 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

I just spray with WD40 after every ride. Smile
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PostPosted: 00:00 - 25 Feb 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

I haven't cleaned my exhaust in a long time. God knows what it looks like underneath all the crap Shocked I will clean it over the weekend though, ive got some autosol too just in case Wink
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PostPosted: 00:01 - 25 Feb 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ive been using the scottoil protective spray. It neutralises salt and leaves behind a residue thats water soluble thats makes washing the bike easier.

Just ride and spray.

My bikes been going all winter, no corrosion. My mates ZX6r has been in a garage under a cover and its got a few crap little patches of rust!

go buy, now!
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PostPosted: 00:03 - 25 Feb 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Craig, wtf are you doing wrong mate?!?!?!

My er5 is spotless and all I do is give it a rub down with a rag and some wd40 every week, ensuring theres no standing water on the bike. I keep my bike on the street too, so I do it quickly.

The er5 build quality is a myth, mines as solid as a rock Very Happy Thumbs Up

P.S There is some stuff that mcn recommended last year(product of the year) FS 365 made by scottoiler. Same sort of stuff as wd40, but is contains a water percentage less than that of WD, so its better in general coating of the bike. All apparently of course, I haven't tried it yet. Smile
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PostPosted: 00:11 - 25 Feb 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

i try and wash the salt off the varadero after every time i ride it, the engine is covered in oil/ vaseline
the exhaust is resprayed as soon as it gets rusty


works for me...bloody hard work though


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PostPosted: 02:37 - 25 Feb 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thumbs Up Scotoil FS365 Thumbs Up

Spray over everything. It is as if you have washed your bike without actually washing it. A lot less messy than WD40 as it is water soluable and doesn't make the bike all greasy.
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PostPosted: 09:14 - 25 Feb 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yup, scottoiler FS365 is the best stuff I have used, just coat the bike in it regularly.

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PostPosted: 09:35 - 25 Feb 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

FS365. It's made in Scotland so can't be bad! And it works fine without washing the beast first.
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PostPosted: 09:42 - 25 Feb 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

instigator wrote:
Craig, wtf are you doing wrong mate?!?!?!


Nothing, my bike is 10 years old don't forget so its getting on abit.
I am finding pitting starting on my forks and small patches of rust on the top of the swing arm.

The swing arm I can deal with, but if the pitting gets bad it'll rip through the fork seals like it did on the GS500 I had. So any tips for stopping that apart from using fork gaiters of course!
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PostPosted: 09:55 - 25 Feb 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Chrome pitting is probably due to abrasion, impact or the layer is now too thin/was too thin and the steel cylinder rod is now not protected by the electro plating.
Maybe you need new forks. Or find a good engineers to grind-re-chrome-grind the rods for you. Costs too much though.
Perfect reason to go out and by an 05 Sprint.
You asked for it.
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PostPosted: 09:59 - 25 Feb 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Another vote for Scottoil FS365 Thumbs Up

I have one of those pump up bottles for spraying garden chemicals. Fill with clean water and spray the bike to start removing the salt and crud (beats getting a power washer out each time) and then spray with FS365.

I've just come across ACF-50 after seeing it recommended by users on another site. I'll going to try and get some, strip the bike down a bit and then spray this in the hard to get at places and see if it makes a difference.
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PostPosted: 11:58 - 25 Feb 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

CraigZZR wrote:
So any tips for stopping that apart from using fork gaiters of course!


Got gaitors on Charlottes GPZ500. Occasionally pull them off to check the forks but they are doing fine. Use something like vaseline on the forks for protect them, but it will probably look worse than gaitors which are barely noticeable on the GPZ.

Suspect the problem is largely down to stones, both on the forks and on the swinging arm.

All the best

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PostPosted: 03:40 - 26 Feb 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Besides replacing the forks, what can be done about pitting? A combination of gravel rash and water being trapped between the L-plate and the fork has caused it to start to deteriorate. Sad

Thinking I'm not sure I am mad keen on trying to find spares for an updated version of the CM125, since it doesn't exist in this country.
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PostPosted: 09:50 - 26 Feb 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

What is "pitting" exactly?

My forks have what look like stone chips all over them, dark grey dots. Is that what you call pitting?
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PostPosted: 11:01 - 26 Feb 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

I worked for a Chroming Co for a couple of years. (Until I got off the weed, horse and drink I must have been on to take the job.)

The process used to provide good protection is:
1) Grind the rod to get a uniform surface.
2) Wash then soak in acid.
3) Lay on the initial layers of copper or nickel using cathode/anode electroplating method in a bath of the copper nickel solution.
4) Lay on the first layer of chrome by electroplating (in a solution of chrome).

This produces a chrome finish, which is as rough as 600 grit sandpaper. (Or a Badger's Bottom)

5) Grind this layer to get a uniform surface.
6) Wash/Acid bath.
7) Re-chrome.
8) Grind and then polish to get a smooth final finish.

That's why chroming is so expensive. Labour is not cheap.
Not very environment friendly either.
There are alternatives now, one employs the use of a jet engine to blast ceramic earth chemicals onto the surface at above mach 1 (The speed of sound) this, it is said, lasts longer than chrome.
Teflon coatings are used too.

Maybe motorcycle makers don't do the full process to keep cost down..... Wink

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PostPosted: 12:01 - 26 Feb 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

I always thought pitting is raised little dots on the chrome surface of the stanctions, not a big problem in themselves but if you start getting them in the suspension travel they can rip through the fork seals and then the seals begin too leak.

I've had this happen before on the GS500EM I had, and replacing the fork seals is no use either!
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PostPosted: 14:00 - 26 Feb 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

divuk83 wrote:
Yup, scottoiler FS365 is the best stuff I have used, just coat the bike in it regularly.

Dave


Sounds good stuff this. Is it a mail order jobbie or can I get it from Halfords?
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PostPosted: 14:00 - 26 Feb 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

CraigZZR wrote:
I always thought pitting is raised little dots on the chrome surface of the stanctions, not a big problem in themselves but if you start getting them in the suspension travel they can rip through the fork seals and then the seals begin too leak.

I've had this happen before on the GS500EM I had, and replacing the fork seals is no use either!


Aaaah okay, I've just got little dark grey dots on my fork legs, bit unsighly but my actual forks(bits that go up and down Wink) are flawless Thumbs Up Very Happy
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PostPosted: 15:19 - 26 Feb 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cut 'n paste from the last time I relayed this bodge Wink

You can do a bodge repair on pitted forks that is very effective although not all that aesthetic.

Firstly, clean all the rust off, down to bare metal, make sure you get rid of any flakes of chrome and scrape the rust out of the pits with a stanley knife blade.

Degrease the stanchions thoroughly using a solvent, you must completley remove all traces of oil clinging to them.

Now get some Araldite epoxy resin, it is improtant to use the original slow setting stuff (now marketed as precision?), NOT araldite rapide which absorbs water and swells over time.

Mix it up and skim over all the damaged parts of the fork stanchions, try to use as little as will fill the defects whilst still having it standing a little proud of the surface.

Leave to set for AT LEAST 24 hours.

Now using progressivley finer grades of wet and dry paper, polish down the araldite 'till it is perfectly smooth and level with the rest of the chrome surface, finish off with a cream polishing agent like autosol then a wax polish.

This works, I have done it many times. The critical parts are 1) How clean and grease free you get the surfaces. 2) The amount of elbow grease expended polishing.

Don't let them get in such a shit state again, fit gaiters if you can't be arsed cleaning and polishing them. Treat any new pits using the same technique as soon as they appear.
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PostPosted: 15:49 - 26 Feb 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:
Cut 'n paste from the last time I relayed this bodge Wink


Hmm i think i recognise that Very Happy

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Don't let them get in such a shit state again, fit gaiters if you can't be arsed cleaning and polishing them.


IMO anyone rideing a bike in the uk in winter without them is asking for it! Sad Thumbs Down they only cost about £15 and you can allways take them off in summer...

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...the use of a jet engine to blast ceramic earth chemicals onto the surface at above mach 1


/OT Jeeeeze! Ive been on the rolls royce test beds when they were doing a slam down... they run an engine at absoloute full throttle and then slam it to no throttle, backfire? bloody hell Shocked 5metre long flame, oooh yeh Cool

They must have quite a facility to do that, not just the actual doing of it but the noise level! bet they are popular with the neighbourghs!
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PostPosted: 19:44 - 26 Feb 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Zoffo wrote:
divuk83 wrote:
Yup, scottoiler FS365 is the best stuff I have used, just coat the bike in it regularly.

Dave


Sounds good stuff this. Is it a mail order jobbie or can I get it from Halfords?


You can get it mail order, but most bike shops will sell it. Just buy one of the spray bottles full of it then after that you can buy the huge re-fill bottles for it.

https://www.scottoiler.com/

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