Not getting paid by employer

[Tierbirdy]

So Ive worked for a small (pretty much run by a single person) company for about 18 months, numerous other people who've worked for them have complained about not getting paid on time, this should have been my warning bell - but I never had an issue getting paid by them, maybe 1 day late at the most.

I worked my ass off, covering loads of shifts, and coming in on days off to cover other people going sick etc. Generally been model employee. Mostly because I was a money grabbing peasant so took on a ridiculous amount of work.

Past 2 months since I had the decency to tell boss Id be going part time (Its a 0 hours contract anyway, you "apply" for shifts from the list of events they need staffing) as Im starting to work full time at another job hes started fucking me about with pay.

Last month was just over a week late, and this month its 2 weeks late and still not been paid.

Pay is done by some stupid system paying you a month in arrears, so Im still waiting for August's pay which was supposed to be paid at the end of September. Im not holding out much hope for getting September's pay at the end of October.

Ive texted boss (he never answers calls anyway) which has gone from "Ill look into it", to weak excuses, to now being ignored.

My next scheduled shift is in a few days, Im considering texting him a few hours before shift starts (its a night shift) and telling him Im not coming in unless I get paid within the next few hours - but I dont particularly want to risk either being told Im definitely not getting paid, or getting paid and having to work a shift with him on his bad side. I'm at least attempting to stay on his good side til I get my money. As soon as I get paid its quitting time, theres no way Im staying even part time if this is how he treats people who fall from his grace.

TL;DR, boss is having a tantrum because I chose to work for a real career rather than a 0 hours contract, now owes me about £2500 and I want my money, what do?

[stinkwheel]

[hellkat]

Fuck that, I'd be eyeing up the chattels by now.

If it's a one man band and he's ignoring your calls, then he's almost certainly avoiding the calls of his creditors as well.
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[Tierbirdy]

I feel relatively confident that the company isnt going bust, it has contracts with a lot of big name companies who I doubt would be late/not paying him. Unless of course hes just embezzling the fuck out of it. So Im pretty sure hes being a spiteful dick. I found them on Companies House but dont particularly fancy spending a tenner on him to look at the financial reports.

It is most definitely a one man band operation, problem with face to face meetings is he lives on (and runs the company from) the other side of the country almost, and Ive no doubt that if I did make an appointment for one he'd simply "forget" or "something came up" and Id turn up to an empty office.

The last employees who left him he went on a campaign of trying to convince people they were prostitutes because "thats the only way two young girls could make enough money to leave". Thats the kind of person I'm dealing with. Not exactly a rational or mature boss.

[Rogerborg]

First thing you do is to start looking for another job.

Then what stinkwheel and hellkat said.
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[Tierbirdy]

Already got another job, thankfully... thats what seems to have triggered all this in the first place. All I want it to get my money and cut my ties.

Will pop round to local CAB when Ive got a day off next week and see what they can advise.

I think biggest problem here is its a dodgey one man company with some... dubious... business practices, whos acting like hes got impunity, and his employees are his own personal property.

[Itchy]

[Tracey Suntan-King]

You don't have to lay for company info, there's a Companies House beta version here

https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk

Won't tell you much though as he's probably a small operator with abbreviated accounts, so there won't be much financial info but you'll get other info about him and any other directors.

Follow Stinkwheel's advice.
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[iooi]

[Jewlio Rides Again LLB]

Agree, the worst account we have at work is with a national company, who have had their credit knocked down from 5 figures to the bottom end of 4 figures, simply because they never pay on 60 days, never mind 30.

In fact, they've even had to pay via credit card once or twice, including the surcharge we levy, because the only way to get them to pay is wait until they've been desperate and then hold them to ransom by demanding full settlement before they can have their stuff.
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[stinkwheel]

[MarJay]

From an employment law point of view, withholding benefit is about the worst thing an employer can do. As Stinky says, you don't need to worry about keeping your job, and from what you say it sounds like he's being a d*ck because you look like you might be leaving rather than the company circling the drain.

From my point of view, I'd be playing hard ball now. People have responsibilities, and bills to pay and if their employer doesn't pay them, there is no real excuse to the employees creditors, so why should he provide any sort of excuse?
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[Rogerborg]

[MCN]

Tits and then Gary.

Seriously as said above.
You can play cool and wait but the fat cunt knows you will wait. That is the problem.

Suck it up for another shift then drop the fuck in it with a client.
POisoning is what these arseholes need.

I worked for a herd of snakes in South Africa who drip fed me for a year. I couldn't leave as they still paid the rent on the house and if I left I was writing off a spunk load of dosh. The ypaid me just enough every othe rmonth to keep me think ing they were going to cough up.

They never did in the end.
It was a hard lesson in business.
I guarantee the fekir is relying on your good nature though.
Aye for sure he will have all the reason not to pay you but that just means he's a professional Shyster.
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[Ste]

Talk to CAB then go to an employment tribunal.

[Tierbirdy]

- Civil text to boss, read and ignored for 2 days now (thanks iMessanger for telling me when a message is received and read)
- Civil yet blunt email to boss, demanding to know why Ive not been paid, when I will be paid, and informing him I wont be working any more shifts until Im paid, ignored
- Letter saying pretty much the same thing posted
- Down CAB tomorrow

Ball is in his court now, lets see what he does. My bet is nothing, hes going to hope Im bluffing.

If he still ignores me, Ill start contacting clients and seeing what they have to say about it, though I feel slightly awkward about this as to me it seems like theyll likely say "not our problem" and hang up. Worth a shot though.

[Rogerborg]

[Tierbirdy]

My new job started 3 weeks ago, so Im not hanging around and theyve paid me so Im not desperate for money, thankfully. But of course thats besides the point.

Ive just been picking up the odd shift in my spare time for old company. Due to their stupid paid in arrears thing (probably so they can pull shenanigans just like this scenario) its August and the first few weeks of September's wages I need, when I was working for them full time. I'm not doing any more work for them, I just want what Im owed.

CAB recommended basically just doing what ACAS and you lot have said, so formal grievance going in today as well.

[Rogerborg]

Ah, right, fair enough. Best of luck.
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[Tierbirdy]

Well, round 1 to me.

Under threat of being taken to tribunal hes paid up, of course I have no doubt that in 2 weeks when October's payday rolls around I'll have to go through this performance all over again.

At least this confirms he was being a dick and wouldn't pay rather than couldn't pay.

[Rogerborg]

Nice one. Well, you'll know to go in mob handed and not bother with "please" next time.
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[ride_to_die]

Glad you got some monies. Is there nothing valuable you can take in lieu of monies?
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