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BillyJ
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PostPosted: 18:19 - 11 Oct 2016    Post subject: Cheap Motorcycling >125cc (More than 125cc) Reply with quote

CB500s are much more than they were a year ago!?!

What is the cheapest winter hack out there?
Requirements:
Electric start
Sub £1000
Ideally >125cc (half commute is on motorway and I want to be able to comfortably sit at 60)
not too knackered
Mileage <40,000
The closer to central London, the better

Worst case scenario I get a YBR125 as an XR125 will just get nicked.
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PostPosted: 18:37 - 11 Oct 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

My ER5 was £650. 02 plate. 20Kish miles. Ticks all those boxes.
I saw one on eBay recently similar to mine in a champagne colour for about £750.

Edit: Correction: It was Autotrader

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201610068493958?radius=1501&sort=price-asc&postcode=pe46ep&model=ER-5&make=KAWASAKI&advertising-location=at_bikes&page=1
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PostPosted: 18:39 - 11 Oct 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Great shout Thumbs Up Thumbs Up Thumbs Up

They are well priced, also need to look at the gs500


Edit: Got another link? That one doesn't work for me
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PostPosted: 18:43 - 11 Oct 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

MahatmaAndhi wrote:


Link isnt working for me Sad

I think this is the one your talking about
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201610068493958?make=kawasaki&model=er-5&logcode=p
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PostPosted: 18:45 - 11 Oct 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's good, just 190 miles away! haha

I'm going to use my girlfriends 125 for a week to see if I can deal with a 125 again
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PostPosted: 18:48 - 11 Oct 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

ZZR600

Decent ones around at that price. Comfy and easy to ride, yet can shift when needed.
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PostPosted: 18:51 - 11 Oct 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

This ER5 is only £345

and i quote from the ad - "Would make an ideal commuter/winter hack"

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201610038390963

edit - updated link
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PostPosted: 18:51 - 11 Oct 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Barnoe wrote:


Link isnt working for me Sad

I think this is the one your talking about


That's the one. Thanks for the correction.
Looks like a good example though. Nice colour too. I'm a bit jealous.
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PostPosted: 18:51 - 11 Oct 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Barnoe wrote:


Bad link haha

i think this is it:
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201610038390963?make=kawasaki&model=er-5&atcido=soc-bikes-twt001
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PostPosted: 18:53 - 11 Oct 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

FFS hahahah

try this https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201610038390963
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PostPosted: 18:54 - 11 Oct 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

OK haha, yep looks good but its 330 miles away.... i reckon he would deliver for free if I paid cash Laughing
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PostPosted: 18:57 - 11 Oct 2016    Post subject: Re: Cheap Motorcycling >125cc (More than 125cc) Reply with quote

BillyJ wrote:
Sub £1000

You'll be lucky to get any running bike with a long MOT and nothing needing done for that price.

So why be choosy if you're begging?
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PostPosted: 19:02 - 11 Oct 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kawasaki GPZ500S
30k milage

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201609217997662

thats a lot closer but £900
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PostPosted: 19:05 - 11 Oct 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Barnoe wrote:
Kawasaki GPZ500S
30k milage

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201609217997662

thats a lot closer but £900


That's a good one Thumbs Up

And Rogerborg: I didn't think I was being Laughing
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PostPosted: 19:07 - 11 Oct 2016    Post subject: Re: Cheap Motorcycling >125cc (More than 125cc) Reply with quote

Rather than looking for a specific model - look to see what's around you for good value.
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PostPosted: 19:08 - 11 Oct 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sub-40K mileage on the bikes you're talking about is all about trust. The old commuter twins will have had, typically, 5 to 8 owners. If they used them for commuting, these bikes will be extremely shoddy (rusty frames a particular problem for Kawasaki) and the bikes bodged in places, and real mileage will be 50K+. It's a piece of cake to wind clocks back. Wipes off tens of thousands of miles in a few minutes or less. This isn't necessarily a problem as the engines on these bikes are quite strong. However, the other parts aren't so good (electrics, cooling system, etc.) So, maintenance is something to think about and plan.

The maths reveals the true story behind all commuter bikes, not just the 500s. Let's say, Mr Average needed to commute 20 miles each way, 5 days a week, for 3 years. He takes long breaks, as, let's say, he's either a temporary agency worker or teacher, so in real terms he commutes for 9 months a year. That's 4x5=20 days a month (he doesn't work or do any leisure motorcycling at weekends). Multiply that by 9 and you get 180 days a year. 180 x 3 and you get 540 commuting days over 3 years. Multiply that by 40 miles, and you see he commuted 21600 miles.

Great! That isn't a high mileage bike. One problem... The bike isn't 3 years old but 15. And it hasn't had just one owner, it's had, say, 7 owners.

You can get an adequate power drill from a hardware store for £20. Everyone seems to have at least that power tool in their garage. Manual clocks? A power drill with no attachment at all is all you need to wind them back, and just before MOT is the time to do it. It's fairly easy to work out that these rust-bucket, neglected ER5 and GS500 ex-riding school, ex-commuter, ex-courier bikes all have much higher mileage than 21600 by now.

That said, if you like these bikes, you may want to have a look at this forum first, to check what the common issues are, such as coolant system, fuel tap failure, warped rear drum, lopey running, etc.:

https://www.bikersoracle.com/er5/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=4

The 500 commuter twins will all comfortably sit at 80. Have a look at 250 bikes instead, if you only need to comfortably sit at 60. These have the advantage of being cheaper to run (fuel, tyres, chains, etc.)
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PostPosted: 19:11 - 11 Oct 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Found this
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201609228027655?make=yamaha&model=xj600-diversion&atcido=soc-bikes-twt001

And regarding 250's i found them generally quite expensive
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PostPosted: 19:12 - 11 Oct 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tawny wrote:
Have a look at 250 bikes instead

Even fewer of them around.
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PostPosted: 19:16 - 11 Oct 2016    Post subject: Re: Cheap Motorcycling >125cc (More than 125cc) Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
BillyJ wrote:
Sub £1000

You'll be lucky to get any running bike with a long MOT and nothing needing done for that price.


Not if you look hard and act fast.

I sold my ZZR for 600 notes, within hours of posting the ad. Twice what I paid for it 67000 miles earlier (I don't really assign any extra value to the fettling/replaced parts). Granted it had alot more miles than the OP is after but it was in better nick than ones with half the miles. Clean MOT sheet too. New owner shouldn't need to do anything other than basic consumables for at least 15000 miles.

Bargains are out there you just have to be primed to pounce, cash in hand and have a decent eye for picking out the gems amongst the turds.
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PostPosted: 19:59 - 11 Oct 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

The thing is that 15years ago there were £1000 1000cc bikes and 500quid bikes of all sizes that were runners too.

I know classic tax has pushed up anything interesting, but a scabby bandit 600 or diversion 600 was lucky to sell for more than £500 then, because second hand bikes were everywhere and if you missed one thered be loads of others to choose from.

It ain't inflation that's upped the second hand prices of old shitters and tatty middle weights so what has?

You can only blame the classic tax thing so far, so is the rest simply that there's more buyers than bikes these days? And is it all due to scummy eastern Europeans taking all out bikes home in trucks?

I suppose Ebay has played a big part too, as before it was in existance bargain bikes were easy finds IMO.
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PostPosted: 20:43 - 11 Oct 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

stevo as b4 wrote:
It ain't inflation that's upped the second hand prices of old shitters and tatty middle weights so what has?


Well to some extent it is.

In the nicest possible sense, the answer is obvious. It's supply and demand.

There isn't a great deal more domestic demand, as we can see from the mcia stats.

But there is a reduction in supply of used motorcycles for a variety of reasons:

- After many thousands of miles and many owners, many older (90s) commuter bikes have been scrapped. Some of those which haven't are increasingly in demand as classics.
- Reduction in build quality means many newer commuter bikes don't last long enough to depreciate down to that level.
- Non-commuter bikes generally don't get subjected to significant use, they remain in excellent condition, and attract higher prices.
- Periods where the Pound has been weak have resulted in very significant exports of used stock to continental Europe. Expect more of that now. Fewer bikes available to the same number of consumers = higher prices.
- Inflation in the price of new bikes means that used bikes can command a higher value. Generally speaking, there is a ceiling to used values - the point at which the buyer might as well spend the extra to buy an equivalent new one. If the price of new bikes rises, so does that ceiling.

Some of those reasons are speculative, but I'm fairly confident that they're sound.


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PostPosted: 22:30 - 11 Oct 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Another shout for the GPZ500, I was looking at completed auction prices last week and they're fetching next to nothing, decided to keep mine as a result!
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PostPosted: 22:37 - 11 Oct 2016    Post subject: Re: Cheap Motorcycling >125cc (More than 125cc) Reply with quote

BillyJ wrote:
CB500s are much more than they were a year ago!?!

What is the cheapest winter hack out there?
Requirements:
Electric start
Sub £1000
Ideally >125cc (half commute is on motorway and I want to be able to comfortably sit at 60)
not too knackered
Mileage <40,000
The closer to central London, the better

Worst case scenario I get a YBR125 as an XR125 will just get nicked.

https://www.gumtree.com/p/kawasaki-motorbikes/kawasaki-zx-6r/1188014434
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PostPosted: 22:46 - 11 Oct 2016    Post subject: Re: Cheap Motorcycling >125cc (More than 125cc) Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
BillyJ wrote:
Sub £1000

You'll be lucky to get any running bike with a long MOT and nothing needing done for that price.

So why be choosy if you're begging?


I bought a really clean Deauville with a tall screen and a Givi top box that fits 2 full face lids in it for £730 with 10 months MOT, it's been a cracking bike, perfect for commuting. I reckon I could still sell it on for £1300 easy.

I joined the Deauville owners page on Facebook and asked if anyone was selling one, got offered a few but mine was an absolute steal, there are good deals to be had out there. always work asking on owners forums as the bikes tend to be enthusiast owned and normally looked after.
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PostPosted: 22:51 - 11 Oct 2016    Post subject: Re: Cheap Motorcycling >125cc (More than 125cc) Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
BillyJ wrote:
Sub £1000

You'll be lucky to get any running bike with a long MOT and nothing needing done for that price.

So why be choosy if you're begging?


I picked up my mint condition 1995 zx6r with 12mths mot for 700 quid.
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