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PostPosted: 21:36 - 22 Oct 2016    Post subject: Random beer question! Reply with quote

For anyone that knows about beer... which of these two beers would be the closest to normal draught Guinness?

This porter or this milk stout?

Asking for a friend. Cheers Smile
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PostPosted: 21:56 - 22 Oct 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Your friend is a hipster and should be shot.

Guinness is Guinness. Anything else isnt.
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PostPosted: 22:06 - 22 Oct 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

I know, I know Laughing But we want to buy a Guinness-drinking mate a cask because it's brewed locally and he'd appreciate it. Only problem is, it all tastes like shit to me.
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PostPosted: 22:07 - 22 Oct 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Then buy him Guinness!
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PostPosted: 22:11 - 22 Oct 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

He's always raving about this brewery.

We have obviously considered buying him Guinness already.
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PostPosted: 22:16 - 22 Oct 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Then ask him which he prefers, if you buy the wrong stuff it will just be a waste.
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PostPosted: 22:22 - 22 Oct 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

I will rephrase the question.

Is Guinness more like a porter than a milk stout?
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PostPosted: 23:55 - 22 Oct 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

I find porter to be a mixed bag - often lacey and underwhelming. A certain supermarket seems to stock quite a few made by craft brewers or as brand leading experiments by major brewers. One, called 'London Porter', apparently based on an 18th century recipe, was the closest I could find to Guinness.
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PostPosted: 01:21 - 23 Oct 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just had a hipster beer shop open near me
Expensive stuff too, £3 for a half pint bottle sort of stuff
They won't last long.
I reckon I'll pop in soon and ask if they have any 3ltr bottles
of White Lightning or cans of Ace lager. Laughing
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PostPosted: 07:26 - 23 Oct 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would say the porter is more of a very dark bitter

guiness is a stout

but sod that get him some sadlers mud city stout instead Laughing


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PostPosted: 08:01 - 23 Oct 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Stout is stout, bitter and punchy, dark beer is sweet and very mild.

If it's all about having the same colour of a liquid in front of you, telling others how cool you are, both drinking the manly stout, then dark beer / or any soft drink of the same colour is the way to go.

If you/he/she want/s Guinness, then there are no substitutes. You don't order a fish, buried under tons of spices and condiments, so it doesn't smell nor taste like a fish, telling others you like to eat fish. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 09:58 - 23 Oct 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Apparently a milk stout is made with lactose, which makes it taste sweeter.

I find Guinness fairly bitter, but I really find it hard to appreciate the differences between the three of them. They all taste bloody awful Laughing
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PostPosted: 10:36 - 23 Oct 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Timmy wrote:
Apparently a milk stout is made with lactose, which makes it taste sweeter.

I find Guinness fairly bitter, but I really find it hard to appreciate the differences between the three of them. They all taste bloody awful Laughing


All I can say is that according to the Guiness factory tour I was dragged on many many many years ago, Guiness 'is' Porter-Beer. Old man Guinness got the recipe in London, where the Hotel Porters drank it, and set up the brewery to make it in Dublin, and 'yes' the free pint in the factory does taste different to wot you get in the pub on this side of the Irish channel.

If the chap is of the emerald persuasion, just 'don't'... if it's not guiness you wont here the last of it; if its not as good as guiness you wont here the last of it, if it's better than guiness you wont here the last of it... NEVER interfere with an oyrish man and his beer... just let'em get on with it! Laughing
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PostPosted: 13:23 - 23 Oct 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

I once heard Guinness afficionados refer to the 'proper' stuff
it as a pint of 'the Liffy'
( the river in Ireland/Dublin where the water was presumably taken from)
as opposed to the stuff made in aluminum vats in Acton where it was produced for the UK at one time.
Dunno where/how its made now
Never much of a fan, the draught stuff seem more like alcoholic shaving foam to me
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PostPosted: 13:42 - 23 Oct 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

WD Forte wrote:
I once heard Guinness afficionados refer to the 'proper' stuff
it as a pint of 'the Liffy'
( the river in Ireland/Dublin where the water was presumably taken from)
as opposed to the stuff made in aluminum vats in Acton where it was produced for the UK at one time.
Dunno where/how its made now
Never much of a fan, the draught stuff seem more like alcoholic shaving foam to me


It all gets brewed in dublin now. There was a huge amount of marketing 10 or so years ago saying as much. It is often referred to as liffy water, but i always assumed this was due to the dirty state of the liffy... it being about as clear as Guinness. In actual fact, the water for brewing comes from the wicklow mountains, just to the south of dublin (the wicklow mountains are home to some fantastic biking roads too!!!)
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PostPosted: 19:32 - 23 Oct 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have an oyrish stepmother; typical north american one, a confirmed Fenian and real-ale socialist, with a platinum credit card. Never set foot in the country until she was forty!

Used to get dragged by her niece into Boston style Oyrish Theme Pubs, every time I went over... usually with the excuse, "Well, its this or a damn cowboy bar!"..

Never ceased to amaze me, they had a Fenian collection pot on the bar for the change after buying their Guinness.... and were utterly oblivious to the fact that the Guinness family probably 'killed' more oyrish caflicks, than Oliver's Army! Buying up all the grain in Ireland to make liffywater, fueling the potato famine, taking so much land away from native cottaging and cattle grazing; forcing the peasants onto ever smaller allotments to grow spuds to feed'emselves; whilst the Guinness family were one of the staunchest supporters of the protestant cause and unionism, as their business depended on British 'export' trade!!!!

You know, the expression there's none so mad as the Irish? well, its an editorial mistake. They omitted the 'American' from before the 'Irish'! {probably been more accurate if they had just omited the 'Irish' actually!}
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PostPosted: 09:33 - 24 Oct 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

To me Guinness tastes piss thin.

A cheap "Coopers Stout" home brew kit tastes superior, it can be easily modified as well, i.e adding lactose for a milk stout, or in my case I like to add a can of dark treacle and 2 bags of spray malt (as an alternative to sugar) for extra strength and flavour.

Though I'm not a huge fan of malty beers these days, I still enjoy them of course but I tend to go for very hoppy beers now. Me and my bro Dr DonnyBrago have just made a lovely all grain brew with a shed load of hops of varying varieties, should be in the bottle next weekend, and ready for Christmas!

Went off track there...

TL:DR buy him a Coopers stout kit and some brewing equipment instead as an alternative?
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PostPosted: 10:55 - 24 Oct 2016    Post subject: Re: Random beer question! Reply with quote

Timmy wrote:
For anyone that knows about beer... which of these two beers would be the closest to normal draught Guinness?

This porter or this milk stout?

Asking for a friend. Cheers Smile



Neither are particularly close, but the first is likely to be a more similar.

As a guess:

The second one (milk stout) will be the most different. It'll be similar to the porter, but stronger flavoured. They have also added lactose and according to the wesbite, cacao nibs, coffee and vanilla. The lactose (a sugar in milk, hence milk stout) doesn't ferment so the beer will be quite sweet, with the coffee/chocolate flavours on top it'll be very different.

A decent porter (the first one) is quite "heavy", it'll have unfermentable sugars which give it the almost syrupy texture a good stout has, and it'll have a quite bitter roasted barely maltiness. It'll probably have a fair whack of early hops to balance out the maltiness.

Guinness on the other hand is an Irish stout which means it is dry (i.e. not a lot of unfermented residual sugars) and very "thin" for a stout. Because the flavour is relatively mild they don't need a lot of hops to balance it out, so there is no stong malt or bitter flavour which the other stout/porter will have if brewed to style.


In both of the craft beers I'd expect a small yeast sediment, because they say unfined/unfiltered. This is a good thing for the beer, but you will want to let the bottles settle upright for a few days and decant slowly into a glass to drink if you don't want to drink the yeast. The yeast is good for you, but some people don't like the taste/it gives them the shits. Most commercial breweries with bottle conditioned beer don't leave a lot of yeast in the bottle, so it isn't really an issue.
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