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Specifically, one that can do ~300 mile round trips on the motorway without rendering me destitute or suicidal.
Main criteria are:
Good MPG,
Low(ish) insurance,
Low(ish) tax,
Doesn't cost a fortune to service,
Is cheap to buy.
I also want it to be upholstered with unicorn leather.
At the moment, the main candidate is the Mazda 3, largely because Japanese reliability plus sensible price (~4K) = happy me. Low tax bracket and high MPG (compared to my current car, at least) is the icing on the cake.
Anyone got any suggestions?
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Depends on what you'd class as good for mpg and tax figures I guess but based on experience driving one:
Gen7 (2002 - 2007ish) Honda Accord 2.2 i-CDTi
Will do 45mpg on motorway runs if you're nice to it
Goes pretty fast if you're not nice to it
£185/year road tax
Purchase cost from £2k upwards at a guess
They do an Estate (Tourer) version
Nice sized 4 door car, good seats, good interior spec
My Father had a 56 plate one as a company car for three years putting ~175,000 miles on it with no issues, they made him give it up for a Honda Insight and I swear he nearly cried.
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Personally, I wouldn't buy a modern diesel, way too many electronically controlled and (potentially) horrifically expensive things to go wrong, plus added bonuses of stuff like welded in glow plugs and blocked DPFs - that last one is key, if you absolutely have to buy a diesel, get one without a DPF.
Petrol cars have come on so much in the last 10-15 years, you can get virtually the same economy levels (keeping in mind diesel is more expensive at the pump, which negates most of the extra mileage anyway) and the basic mechanical parts are no less reliable.
Stick with manual gearboxes (none of the DSG/autoshift manuals have long term reliability) and go top end Jap - Honda, Toyota and your first choice, Mazda.
I'm not quite as convinced by Mazdas, for me they lost something when they cemented their deal with Ford, but they are still better than most things.
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| Shaft wrote: | Personally, I wouldn't buy a modern diesel, way too many electronically controlled and (potentially) horrifically expensive things to go wrong, plus added bonuses of stuff like welded in glow plugs and blocked DPFs - that last one is key, if you absolutely have to buy a diesel, get one without a DPF.
Petrol cars have come on so much in the last 10-15 years, you can get virtually the same economy levels (keeping in mind diesel is more expensive at the pump, which negates most of the extra mileage anyway) and the basic mechanical parts are no less reliable.
Stick with manual gearboxes (none of the DSG/autoshift manuals have long term reliability) and go top end Jap - Honda, Toyota and your first choice, Mazda.
I'm not quite as convinced by Mazdas, for me they lost something when they cemented their deal with Ford, but they are still better than most things. |
Auto's and DSG's aren't reliable?
Yeah right, try doing 200k plus on a single clutch and DMF.
That advice is way out of date.
You'll be telling us DSG's don't offer better acceleration and fuel economy next! 
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| mpd72 wrote: | | Shaft wrote: | Personally, I wouldn't buy a modern diesel, way too many electronically controlled and (potentially) horrifically expensive things to go wrong, plus added bonuses of stuff like welded in glow plugs and blocked DPFs - that last one is key, if you absolutely have to buy a diesel, get one without a DPF.
Petrol cars have come on so much in the last 10-15 years, you can get virtually the same economy levels (keeping in mind diesel is more expensive at the pump, which negates most of the extra mileage anyway) and the basic mechanical parts are no less reliable.
Stick with manual gearboxes (none of the DSG/autoshift manuals have long term reliability) and go top end Jap - Honda, Toyota and your first choice, Mazda.
I'm not quite as convinced by Mazdas, for me they lost something when they cemented their deal with Ford, but they are still better than most things. |
Auto's and DSG's aren't reliable?
Yeah right, try doing 200k plus on a single clutch and DMF.
That advice is way out of date.
You'll be telling us DSG's don't offer better acceleration and fuel economy next! |
I'll give you the number of the guy that does my auto box rebuilds, you'll probably be able to hear the piss running down his legs, when you tell him DSGs are reliable, assuming you can hear anything above the sound of his maniacal laughter - he drives a manual...................
As for out of date, I fix cars for a living and have been involved in the industry for about 30 years, what do you do?
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| Shaft wrote: | | mpd72 wrote: |
Auto's and DSG's aren't reliable?
Yeah right, try doing 200k plus on a single clutch and DMF.
That advice is way out of date.
You'll be telling us DSG's don't offer better acceleration and fuel economy next! |
I'll give you the number of the guy that does my auto box rebuilds, you'll probably be able to hear the piss running down his legs, when you tell him DSGs are reliable, assuming you can hear anything above the sound of his maniacal laughter - he drives a manual...................
As for out of date, I fix cars for a living and have been involved in the industry for about 30 years, what do you do? |
You'll know that DSG's are manual transmissions too and not auto's then won't you?
My current every day driver is an auto approaching 200k, my last one was still driving fine at 275k plus.
| Quote: | So lets first tackle reliability, the DSG transmission had a couple of issues during the first few years. They were almost all exclusively the same problem. The symptoms with the early DSG transmissions were delayed power then a bang causing the car to lurch forward. Generally this would happen when happen when starting from a stop. This issue was almost always fixed by the mechatronics unit. The issues with the early DSG transmissions has given many people pause, and understandably so. However most of the DSG Transmissions starting around 2008 had almost no issues at all. The early DSGs have mostly gotten a new Mechatronics unit, and the issues have been resolved. Once the bad ones are replaced they no longer seem to have issues.
Now on to longevity, the longevity of the DSG transmission is yet to be seen. Currently it appears as though the DSG transmissions have solid longevity. Since the transmission is built like a manual, it is mechanically strong. The weak points that will be likely to fail will be the DSG Clutch Packs or the mechatronics unit. These are both replaceable (but expensive) parts. Neither of these parts have shown to be an common issue. From what a few experts in the VW field have told us, they have not been seeing any DSG failures these days. This leads us to believe that the DSG transmission has and will continue to have strong reliability.
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Things have changed on the DSG front, rumour and heresay still persist though.
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[b]You'll know that DSG's are manual transmissions too and not auto's then won't you?[/b]
My current every day driver is an auto approaching 200k, my last one was still driving fine at 275k plus.
| Quote: | So lets first tackle reliability, the DSG transmission had a couple of issues during the first few years. They were almost all exclusively the same problem. The symptoms with the early DSG transmissions were delayed power then a bang causing the car to lurch forward. Generally this would happen when happen when starting from a stop. This issue was almost always fixed by the mechatronics unit. The issues with the early DSG transmissions has given many people pause, and understandably so. However most of the DSG Transmissions starting around 2008 had almost no issues at all. The early DSGs have mostly gotten a new Mechatronics unit, and the issues have been resolved. Once the bad ones are replaced they no longer seem to have issues.
Now on to longevity, the longevity of the DSG transmission is yet to be seen. Currently it appears as though the DSG transmissions have solid longevity. Since the transmission is built like a manual, it is mechanically strong. The weak points that will be likely to fail will be the DSG Clutch Packs or the mechatronics unit. These are both replaceable (but expensive) parts. Neither of these parts have shown to be an common issue. From what a few experts in the VW field have told us, they have not been seeing any DSG failures these days. This leads us to believe that the DSG transmission has and will continue to have strong reliability.
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Yup, which is why I said DSG/autoshift manuals, which covers everything that isn't a true auto (I probably should've added CVT, they aren't very clever either).
I take it your copy pasta quote was written before the Worldwide recall of around 1.6 million VAG cars with the later 7 speed DSG gearboxes, in 2013?
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| Shaft wrote: | | mpd72 wrote: |
[b]You'll know that DSG's are manual transmissions too and not auto's then won't you?[/b]
My current every day driver is an auto approaching 200k, my last one was still driving fine at 275k plus.
| Quote: | So lets first tackle reliability, the DSG transmission had a couple of issues during the first few years. They were almost all exclusively the same problem. The symptoms with the early DSG transmissions were delayed power then a bang causing the car to lurch forward. Generally this would happen when happen when starting from a stop. This issue was almost always fixed by the mechatronics unit. The issues with the early DSG transmissions has given many people pause, and understandably so. However most of the DSG Transmissions starting around 2008 had almost no issues at all. The early DSGs have mostly gotten a new Mechatronics unit, and the issues have been resolved. Once the bad ones are replaced they no longer seem to have issues.
Now on to longevity, the longevity of the DSG transmission is yet to be seen. Currently it appears as though the DSG transmissions have solid longevity. Since the transmission is built like a manual, it is mechanically strong. The weak points that will be likely to fail will be the DSG Clutch Packs or the mechatronics unit. These are both replaceable (but expensive) parts. Neither of these parts have shown to be an common issue. From what a few experts in the VW field have told us, they have not been seeing any DSG failures these days. This leads us to believe that the DSG transmission has and will continue to have strong reliability.
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Yup, which is why I said DSG/autoshift manuals, which covers everything that isn't a true auto (I probably should've added CVT, they aren't very clever either).
I take it your copy pasta quote was written before the Worldwide recall of around 1.6 million VAG cars with the later 7 speed DSG gearboxes, in 2013? |
Link to the 7 speed DSG recall please?
Ah, you're on about the change in oil spec from fully synth, of which there have been no reported cases in Britain. Worldwide, but not in Europe eh?
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VW UK:
VW insists the problems found in Australia have not been replicated in the UK
by Jim Holder
14 June 2013
Volkswagen UK has given further information on why it sees no reason to issue a recall for its seven-speed dual shift DSG gearbox-equipped cars, despite similarly equipped cars in other parts of the world being recalled.
It has also reiterated that it has no examples of the problems experienced in other countries being replicated in the UK.
This week VW, Audi and Skoda issued a recall in Australia and New Zealand for cars fitted with the gearbox, codenamed DQ200, as a result of a fault with its mechatronic system.
That added to recalls already issued in China, Japan, Singapore and Malaysia, and followed 100 complaints from VW owners in Australia relating to an apparent power loss.
UK-built VWs use the same specification DQ200 gearbox as the Australian-built cars, with the units also built in the same factory.
However, a VW statement explained: “The DSG mechatronics are programmed differently according to the country in which a vehicle will be sold. The issues recently experienced by some customers in Australia have not been repeated in the UK, nor indeed in other temperate countries.
“Service campaigns are carried out in countries where an issue is known to exist.
We have been in touch with VOSA via our usual consumer protection channels and reached a joint agreement that there was no safety issue – VOSA is satisfied that there is no requirement for a recall
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"Any owners who are concerned about their car should contact their local Volkswagen retailer who can be located by postcode search on
Volkswagen's website.”
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Fabia vRS. If by some miracle you get my old one you'll be getting 181bhp and 300 lb/ft torque at about 2500rpm.
They pull like a train and give great mpg. Just don't abuse the clutch by accelerating hard from lowish revs in a high gear.
Better to change down first, then give it the beans. New clutch/dmf will be over 600 quid fitted. I know, I had to
replace mine. The torque is the killer. 
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