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Minky_monkey
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PostPosted: 17:01 - 26 Feb 2005    Post subject: Anybody been caught speeding on the A303? Reply with quote

https://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/wiltshire/4299113.stm
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PostPosted: 17:03 - 26 Feb 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh yes ! Laughing

Another technical blunder by them as they didn't follow the wording of the law.
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PostPosted: 17:25 - 26 Feb 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Safe Speed press release:-

Safe Speed wrote:

PR173: Folly Bottom: resistance collapses

News: For immediate release

Earlier today the Partnership agreed that many people are due a refund on penalties paid for exceeding a speed limit that did not exist in law at roadworks on the A303 at Folly Bottom. Safe Speed insists that the Partnership is proactive in contacting those motorists who have been penalised unjustly.

Paul Smith, founder of the Safe Speed road safety campaign said: "After a week of prevarication they have finally owned up to their
responsibilities. Motorists who have been inconvenienced by this ill be entitled to compensation as well as a refund of fine and licence points."

Richard Bentley, (www.getjustice.co.uk) the signing expert who prepared the defence case said:"From the outset my report clearly identified that the law with regard to signing and traffic orders had either been overlooked, ignored or deliberately sidestepped. After many months of adjournment, the crown have finally accepted my findings and motorists will at last get justice.

I'm delighted that motorists, who are continually under attack, will finally get justice in one small corner of England."


All the best

Keith
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PostPosted: 19:50 - 27 Feb 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Even if it was a temporary speedlimit, you can only get fined anyway as exceeding a temporary speed limit is non endorsable
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PostPosted: 20:42 - 27 Feb 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kye, ive never heard that before. So that means if I exceed 40 mph in temporary traffic restrictions on the M6 then I will only get a fine?
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PostPosted: 01:45 - 02 Mar 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi

Bit more on it:-

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2005/03/01/ndrive01.xml

Telegraph wrote:
Drivers win back speed fines after signs chaos
By Richard Savill
(Filed: 01/03/2005)

About 2,500 convicted motorists will have their speeding fines refunded and penalty points rescinded after a driver successfully challenged a "chaotic" system of restriction signs at roadworks.



The drivers were trapped by a speed camera on the A303 at Folly Bottom, near Amesbury, between September 2003 and January last year.

The Wiltshire and Swindon Road Safety Partnership, which operated the camera, is writing to 2,467 motorists to say that it intends to refund the £60 fines - at a total cost of £148,020 - and remove the penalty points. It will also consider any claim for compensation.

The move follows a court challenge by Clair Allison, 48, a Sky Television make-up artist, who spent months taking photographs and gathering video evidence after she was caught breaking the temporary 40mph limit.

At Salisbury magistrates' court 10 days ago, Miss Allison and 27 other motorists had speeding cases dismissed after they said that signs were not displayed properly, were not out at all, or were not backed up by necessary documentation.

Miss Allison said: "I drive a very high mileage and I do my very best always to drive safely. The ticket in the post made me so angry because I knew that I had not passed a speed limit sign."

She said she had conducted her battle on behalf of "middle Englanders" and added: "We were not boy racers tearing about a housing estate."

The Crown Prosecution Service decided to offer no evidence after Barry Culshaw, for the drivers, argued that the signing was flawed.

He said yesterday: "The Crown had to concede they could not prove at any given time who put a sign up, who pulled it down and when. The police camera vehicle was doing most of its enforcement from a bridge. The site was chaotic. Sometimes cones were out and sometimes not. Sometimes there were signs and cones and sometimes nothing at all."

He added: "If this can happen at Folly Bottom, is it not happening nationwide? There is an intricate web of regulations and statute, which applies to roadworks signings. If they have not got it right, the motorist has an absolute defence."

A Highways Agency spokesman said that it would be issuing guidance to contractors to ensure that signs were in the right places. In cases where there were roadworks, contractors were being advised to video signs.

The A303 roadworks lasted until last August when a further 3,000 motorists were fined. However, the partnership said it was confident it could rebut a challenge by any of those motorists, as documents were available.

Sgt Nick Blencowe, of the partnership, said that, although the case against the motorists had collapsed, they would have been aware of the extensive roadworks and should have been more cautious.

"At least one was detected not only exceeding the temporary 40mph speed limit but also the national 70mph speed limit."


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Keith
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PostPosted: 10:03 - 02 Mar 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kye wrote:
Even if it was a temporary speedlimit, you can only get fined anyway as exceeding a temporary speed limit is non endorsable

Please give more information. Is it the same on motorways?
Asking as a member of the family was photographed over the 40mph speed limit in roadwaords on the M1 in Kent. Fine and 3 points imposed.

Any info appreciated, thanks.
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PostPosted: 10:17 - 02 Mar 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

A Police Woman wrote:
A police spokeswoman said each case could cost up to £250 to process.



Don't you just love it when they try to twist words? Hell it could cost up to £1000/ticket to review.
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PostPosted: 11:55 - 02 Mar 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

R4nger wrote:
Don't you just love it when they try to twist words? Hell it could cost up to £1000/ticket to review.


The real question is why should we care how much it costs to return the money they have stolen and compensate their victims.

Be quite happy if they locked the scamera thieves up (attempting to pervert the course of justice, perjury, and I am sure we can think up a few more charges), and that would cost money as well.

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PostPosted: 12:01 - 02 Mar 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kickstart wrote:
...Be quite happy if they locked the scamera thieves up...

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Wouldn't the letters to the drivers be from the Chief Constable?
If the signage was illegal then I'd say he's demanding money with menaces.

Wonder who'll put the Chief Constable/CPS in the dock? Rolling Eyes
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