Filtering to front of queues and into the bicycle section

[Waaarrrggghhh]

Anybody else do this? Is it against the law?

I don't consider it inconsiderate to other cyclists as I basically take up the same amount of room as a bicycle on these things anyway.

[Pete.]

Loads do it. Yes it's illegal, 3 points if you get caught.

Don't get caught.
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132.9mph off and walked away. Gear is good, gear is good, gear is very very good

[hellkat]

Also, don't undertake to get there.
Cos of course the bicycle lane is, as everyone knows, for pussies.




*as well as being dangerous and technically illegal
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[Waaarrrggghhh]

[M.C]

[hellkat]

[SQL]

[NJD]

If you're filtering to the front of traffic at red lights then you best be prepared and focused to pull of before the cars do and get yourself well ahead of them because as above there's no such thing as tucking in in that sense. Line up and get away when the lights turn.. am-green, simples.

I don't do it no. Then again I don't filter, often, because my bike only had 8-10 horses to begin with and it's probably killed a few and some more in the time I've had it, poor thing.
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[Lord Percy]

It's illegal but only if caught.

There's some sort of leeway in that for example the lights might be changing suddenly so you're forced to stop and end up past the advanced the stop line, i.e. in the cycle box.

The confusion is in the fact that the cycle lane is fair game (if it's only marked with a white dashed line), but then if you take the cycle lane you end up feeling forced to go into the bike box when you get to the front.

To keep it legal, take the cycle lane then stop before the box. If it annoys cyclists, sod them. That's the fully legal option anyway.

I had a cyclist shout at me quite recently for using a cycle lane (legally). He was wrong. But then he told me I wasn't allowed to be in the cycle box in which we were arguing. He was right. So now if I use that cycle lane I always make sure I can stop before the bike box. If I end up in a situation where there's no space to stop, I just tuck myself in as best I can but remain on that cycle lane, not in the box. Not fussed if I block cyclists, the road isn't their's, I'm using the space and am attempting to make progress in exactly the same way they are.

[goto10]

It is indeed classed as jumping a red light.

If the light changes _after_ you've already crossed the first line, then you're allowed to sit and wait in the cycle box.
Mind you, even cyclists aren't allowed to cross over the first line once the light has gone red - they have to enter the cycle box using an entry point where the white like is broken.
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[MattEMulsion]

[J.M.]

[notbike]

Well fuck me I do this all the time, didn't realize you can get 3 points. Might stop doing it.

[owl]

[owl]

One thing I try never doing is going round the wrong side of islands, however I always see people doing this multiple times a day. Even seen people doing it front of police officers and they got away with it
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[Kentol750]

Box is for psycolists.....cars often enter it ..therefore everyone can!....ffs just do what is safe whilst filtering and never piss off Popo!
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[gorillaonabik...]

You can legally enter the box if the light is green when you do so.

I've entered it ahead of police cars and no-one gives a monkeys. I filter to the front as faster and safer as I can get away from everything.
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[trevor saxe-coburg-gotha]

[stinkwheel]

Legally speaking, it's down to when you crossed the solid white line.

There are two. One at the start of the cycle lane box and a second at the end of it.

It's illegal to cross one of those lines when the light is on red because that would be jumping a red light.

As said above, if the light changes between you crossing the first and second line, you're allowed to be in the box. You're not allowed to enter it on red.
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[Rogerborg]

Aside, if the box has a cycle lane then pedal cycles are only permitted to proceed beyond the advanced stop line if they are using that lane.

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2016/362/images/uksi_20160362_en_767

Yes, it is technically an offence for a pedal cycle to cross such a solid line against a red. Feel free to point this out to any lycropaths that you encounter, I'm sure they'll appreciate the advice.

It was only this year with TSRGD 2016 that a couple of allowed variants were introduced.

First, the minimal "entry" (which was already in common use but wasn't authorised):

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2016/362/images/uksi_20160362_en_769

Again, entry by a pedal cycle anywhere other than through that dashed entry point is an offence if the light is red.

Second, a solid line with no lane or entry. Pedal cycles can always proceed beyond it.

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2016/362/images/uksi_20160362_en_768

Aside to the aside, Glasgow Cooncil has just painted on a whole set of solid advanced stop lines, but hasn't bothered painting the mandatory cycle symbol. Most traffic is still stopping for them anyway, even when no pedal cycles are present (they almost never are).

Aside to the aside to the aside, this is what Police Scotland think of advanced stop lines:

https://i.imgur.com/RM72RMt.jpg

Yes, it had the cycle symbol. Yes, the car entered it against a red. No, at the time that was taken, that wasn't strictly speaking an approved variation (it should have been across all lanes) but I doubt they knew that.
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[bigdom86]

commute in central london so do this every day. i am aware of the points and fines, everyone in london does it, even police bikes have done it and I have pulled up next to them no problem. only time I won't do it is if a police car is at front of queue, although I have seen other bikes do it infrotn of a police car and no problem at all.

i only go right around the keep left signs if my side is blocked and the other side is clear

[Doovy]

[trevor saxe-coburg-gotha]

[trevor saxe-coburg-gotha]

[chris-red]

I've been commuting for almost 10 years, I've done it EVERY day, I've never had any points. Once a PCSO told me to move back because my front wheel was maybe 2" over the line (I'd seen him and pulled up early). I told him "You must be so proud to be given the important jobs" True Story.
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