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kgm
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PostPosted: 23:12 - 18 Nov 2016    Post subject: Sprocket Carrier Bearing Failure Reply with quote

Evening all,

Taking the rear wheel off to have a new tyre fitted tonight I discovered that the rear sprocket carrier bearing on my ER6 had disintegrated. Easy enough to replace however I'm wondering whether it's worth replacing the wheel bearings at the same time? Both appear OK but I'm tempted just to do them whilst I'm in there already. Anything else I should look for damage wise or replace out of caution? No idea how long it's been like that (surprisingly there was no play in the sprocket) so I reckon it can't have been goosed for more than a few hundred miles.

Advice appreciated, as a side note there's only 15k on the bike so not too impressed. Best guess is that the seal has been damaged at some point and water has gotten in.
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PostPosted: 10:00 - 19 Nov 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

I replaced all associated wheel bearings on my ZZR14 with SKF items because the OEM items are not fit for purpose .. and mine had less millage on than yours.

cost was some thing like £50 ..
I pealed back the seal and filled them full of a suitable lithium grease

some one I know got stung in Switzerland to the order of £300 ish because his failed at the side of the road..

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PostPosted: 10:12 - 19 Nov 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you have a bit of time you can find the bearing and seals very cheap,
either looking on the bearing for the size or FAQ on the ER forum.
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PostPosted: 10:18 - 19 Nov 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

As said, searching for bearings by size and rating is almost always a lot cheaper than searching by the bikes model name, irrespective of what bike you have.

Plenty of decent online bearing suppliers in the UK, and don't forget your local industrial estate, it's not unusual to find one on there.
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PostPosted: 11:47 - 19 Nov 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

I do have a friendly source for the bearings so I reckon I may as well do them all. Cheers folks.
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PostPosted: 12:03 - 19 Nov 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi

Sprocket carrier bearings can be affected by an over tight chain, or someone missing out the spacer between the bearing and the wheel. Not unknown for tyre places to lose the spacer so worth a check.

The carrier bearing is the easy one to change compared to the wheel bearings, but also often a larger and more expensive bearing. As such being a tight git I would check how the wheel bearings felt, but any sign of wear or lack of smoothness then change them as well

All the best

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PostPosted: 13:43 - 19 Nov 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kickstart wrote:
Hi

Sprocket carrier bearings can be affected by an over tight chain, or someone missing out the spacer between the bearing and the wheel. Not unknown for tyre places to lose the spacer so worth a check.

The carrier bearing is the easy one to change compared to the wheel bearings, but also often a larger and more expensive bearing. As such being a tight git I would check how the wheel bearings felt, but any sign of wear or lack of smoothness then change them as well

All the best

Katy


Spacer is still there and I'm normally quite attentive to chain maintenance so I'm note sure what has happened. I only ever give tyre places the wheel itself and refit it all myself. The original bearing is an open bearing so my best guess is that the seal has been damaged or aged and has let moisture into the bearing - there was quite a bit of corrosion but no damage to anything else luckily.

To be honest this explains a few other symptoms I've noticed recently which I'd assumed was a poor chain adjustment. I should really have caught it sooner but I was lazy in my diagnostics because I've been too busy working on my CX500 project to pay enough attention to my daily rides.

The wheel bearings seem OK but I have a friend who can source me quality bearings very cheaply so I'm just going to do all the wheel bearings now for convenience since it's an easy enough job and I'm going to have both off anyway.

As this post is coming up fairly high on google for the relevant search terms, for anyone else interested the ER6/Ninja 650 bearing sizes are as follows:

Sprocket carrier: 6205UU
Rear wheel bearings: 6204UU
Front wheel bearings: 6004UU
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PostPosted: 14:28 - 19 Nov 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't have an ER6 but it's helpful to have the bearing sizes for different bikes on the internet, because we all pay far too much for things like bearings and seals from dealers and parts suppliers.

Damaged bearings will look damaged. Good bearings will look intact but maybe a bit dirty, with the rubber holding in the balls and the grease.

Just look for unusual play when you put your finger in and wiggle it. When I put new bearings in recently, I noticed that the old bearings were good but they had some play, perhaps caused by loss of aluminium (in the bearing seat, i.e. the wheel) from tiny grit particles when they were inserted. I had to do something to resolve that. Make sure the bearings are a tight fit. It shouldn't be easy to put them in or take them out.
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PostPosted: 15:18 - 19 Nov 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

meggark wrote:
The original bearing is an open bearing so my best guess is that the seal has been damaged or aged and has let moisture into the bearing - there was quite a bit of corrosion but no damage to anything else luckily.


Can't say I trust open bearings for wheels and the like. While there is a separate seal to the outside, generally no seal to the inside, hence nothing to stop water or water vapour getting in.

All the best

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