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PostPosted: 22:36 - 17 Nov 2016    Post subject: Looking for something bigger! Reply with quote

Alright so I rode all summer with my cbr 125 , only thing I dont like is the power , its kinda like a scooter , im looking for something bigger. Only issue is im around 120 pounds and im 5"5~ Currently I need to Tippie toe to touch the ground , I sat on the CBR 300 , same thing and I find it feels heavy and it makes me a little nervous , any ideas?


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PostPosted: 22:59 - 17 Nov 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

You can sit on what you want, or tip toe on what you want, but you might want to tell us what license you have, you do have one?, before we start making recommendations.

CB600SA has an adjustable 3 seat height position and can be ridden on both A2 and A so that's one for both boxes. Not that I know a great deal about it.

https://cycle-ergo.com/ might save you some time because gets the hard bit out the way. Site reminds me it's the inside leg that makes the difference not your overall height so that might be helpful to know?

There is and there isn't heavy. Thing is small bikes are so easy to push around that after a while of riding and owning one it creates a false reality for when you then walk into a dealer and see proper bikes and it's like "oh ok, how do people handle these?" you just need to get over that hump and spend more time around full size bikes. There's plenty of choice on the market so make sure you settle for one your comfortable pushing around, stopping on cambers etc.

Easiest way is to go travelling to different dealers and sit on a few bikes to see what you can and can't handle at a standstill. I'm going to guess lightweight sports bike like 250's/300's, MT-03 and the like will be what you're after or the next step up. Try main dealers to get an idea then look on the private market for the same but way cheaper model.

Sports bike your thing in terms of seating position and the way forward or did you just go with a 125 that looked "cool" but learned it was a sheep in wolves clothing the hard way?
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PostPosted: 23:16 - 17 Nov 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

NJD wrote:
You can sit on what you want, or tip toe on what you want, but you might want to tell us what license you have, you do have one?, before we start making recommendations.

CB600SA has an adjustable 3 seat height position and can be ridden on both A2 and A so that's one for both boxes. Not that I know a great deal about it.

https://cycle-ergo.com/ might save you some time because gets the hard bit out the way. Site reminds me it's the inside leg that makes the difference not your overall height so that might be helpful to know?

There is and there isn't heavy. Thing is small bikes are so easy to push around that after a while of riding and owning one it creates a false reality for when you then walk into a dealer and see proper bikes and it's like "oh ok, how do people handle these?" you just need to get over that hump and spend more time around full size bikes. There's plenty of choice on the market so make sure you settle for one your comfortable pushing around, stopping on cambers etc.

Easiest way is to go travelling to different dealers and sit on a few bikes to see what you can and can't handle at a standstill. I'm going to guess lightweight sports bike like 250's/300's, MT-03 and the like will be what you're after or the next step up. Try main dealers to get an idea then look on the private market for the same but way cheaper model.

Sports bike your thing in terms of seating position and the way forward or did you just go with a 125 that looked "cool" but learned it was a sheep in wolves clothing the hard way?



Looking for a sports bike ish , also I can own any size bike thats not a issue ! And that could be the thing , it was at a dealership .
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PostPosted: 00:21 - 18 Nov 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

ER6F?

Fairly lightweight, 650cc engine, sports bike(ish) style, relatively low seat.

Manages licence losing speeds very easily, handles twisties very well and handles commuting/town riding equally as well.
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PostPosted: 08:02 - 18 Nov 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

If OP is struggling to reach the ground on a CBR125 and a CBR300R, an ER6 isn't going to be any better. The Ninja 300 is very fractionally lower than the CBR, the RC390 is a touch higher (because KTM).

If none of them suit, I'd suggest looking at lowering a bike slightly, which opens up pretty much any sports bike.

The weight, you'll get used to, and you'll have to if you want anything bigger than a 125. Modern budget sports bikes aren't as light as you'd hope. The KTM is the lightweight choice, but will need lowering the most.

Try out a few more before deciding, and see if you can take them for a ride. Once you're on the move, you're not going to be worrying about the seat height.
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PostPosted: 08:28 - 18 Nov 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
If OP is struggling to reach the ground on a CBR125 and a CBR300R, an ER6 isn't going to be any better. The Ninja 300 is very fractionally lower than the CBR, the RC390 is a touch higher (because KTM).

If none of them suit, I'd suggest looking at lowering a bike slightly, which opens up pretty much any sports bike.


Surprisingly, so it is. (78.5 cm for the ninja 300, compared to 80 cm for the ER6f). A lowering kit could bring it down to 77.5 cm though.
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PostPosted: 08:31 - 18 Nov 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 16:50 - 18 Nov 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 17:13 - 18 Nov 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bear in mind that ability to touch the ground is a function of both bike height and width. A slightly lower, wider bike may be tougher to tippy-toe on than a slightly higher narrower bike, because of the angle your legs are at.
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PostPosted: 20:23 - 18 Nov 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Budget? I'm 5'6" and am comfortable on my r3 (flat foot in jeans, tip toe in leathers). RC390 was too tall. Passed my test on a lowered er6n (which is like 1cm shorter than the er6f). Have heard positive things of a lowered r6. The gladius is also nice and short, but apparently shite. Most of the sportier things are too tall, I did have a sit on a few.

Oh and nobby insisted I was the right height on his exup.

It depends if you ever need to manouvre it with your feet really.. . I like the security to do that if I need to because I'm not a good rider, and I park in a garden, up a kerb then down a side passage.
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PostPosted: 16:32 - 19 Nov 2016    Post subject: Re: Looking for something bigger! Reply with quote

dylmcf wrote:
im looking for something bigger... any ideas?

Is it just a sunday bike or an everyday commuter?
A country lane blast or a cross country tourer?

I'm sure there must be exceptions but (In my mind at least) sportsbikes tend to have slightly higher seats than standard 'naked' bikes, but as has been mentioned, seat width is also important and sportsbikes usually have narrower seats..
Also certain bikes are more likely to be lowered than others, usually (from my experience) the naked/roadster type bikes like 600 monsters.
There are a few odd exception for things like a BMW 'funduro' which seem to be advertised regularly as 'lowered' Although I don't know how low that ends up and I wouldn't suggest one anyway Shocked .
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PostPosted: 16:55 - 19 Nov 2016    Post subject: Re: Looking for something bigger! Reply with quote

dylmcf wrote:
Alright so I rode all summer with my cbr 125 , only thing I dont like is the power , its kinda like a scooter , im looking for something bigger. Only issue is im around 120 pounds and im 5"5~ Currently I need to Tippie toe to touch the ground , I sat on the CBR 300 , same thing and I find it feels heavy and it makes me a little nervous , any ideas?


Thanks !


I'm 5'4 and I ride an exup, as Zap Brannigan said...
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PostPosted: 21:24 - 19 Nov 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 14:37 - 21 Nov 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

SophR so good wrote:
Budget? I'm 5'6" and am comfortable on my r3 (flat foot in jeans, tip toe in leathers). RC390 was too tall. Passed my test on a lowered er6n (which is like 1cm shorter than the er6f). Have heard positive things of a lowered r6. The gladius is also nice and short, but apparently shite. Most of the sportier things are too tall, I did have a sit on a few.

Oh and nobby insisted I was the right height on his exup.

It depends if you ever need to manouvre it with your feet really.. . I like the security to do that if I need to because I'm not a good rider, and I park in a garden, up a kerb then down a side passage.


How does the r3 performe highway wise ? I was looking at that I'm only 16 , so a when my parents hear that I'm
looking for something above 500 they shit bricks lol !
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PostPosted: 14:39 - 21 Nov 2016    Post subject: Re: Looking for something bigger! Reply with quote

Alpineandy wrote:
dylmcf wrote:
im looking for something bigger... any ideas?

Is it just a sunday bike or an everyday commuter?
A country lane blast or a cross country tourer?

I'm sure there must be exceptions but (In my mind at least) sportsbikes tend to have slightly higher seats than standard 'naked' bikes, but as has been mentioned, seat width is also important and sportsbikes usually have narrower seats..
Also certain bikes are more likely to be lowered than others, usually (from my experience) the naked/roadster type bikes like 600 monsters.
There are a few odd exception for things like a BMW 'funduro' which seem to be advertised regularly as 'lowered' Although I don't know how low that ends up and I wouldn't suggest one anyway Shocked .

I ride everyday , but I like sports ish , even if I lose
comfort
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PostPosted: 14:43 - 21 Nov 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Also how big is a jump
from a 125-600 compare to 125-300~?
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PostPosted: 14:44 - 21 Nov 2016    Post subject: re Reply with quote

can you ride any size bike in the states at 16? they do have some strange laws there....

if your set at a sports then just get it profesionally lowered, otherwise go naked they are generally lower
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PostPosted: 18:49 - 21 Nov 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

dylmcf wrote:
Also how big is a jump
from a 125-600 compare to 125-300~?


That depends 100% on how much control you have of your right wrist (On the throttle!).
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PostPosted: 18:49 - 21 Nov 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd expect an R3 to be good for a sustained 80mph with decent earplugs. It'll go faster, but you won't necessarily want to hold it there for extended trips.

It'll be fun at lower speeds. What I found about 600cc+ IL4s (e.g. FZS600, CBR600F) is that by the time the laugh-tap comes on, I'm already going quicker than I want to. Some people love that, I don't.

Note, that's 4 cylinders. A big twin is a different proposition and rewards being ridden a big more lazily. It's not about capacity or even peak power, it's about where the power comes in, and how hard to have to ride to find it.

Any of the "300" bikes - CBR, Ninja, R3, RC390 - will be great fun (probably in that order) and can do anything.
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PostPosted: 20:25 - 21 Nov 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alpineandy wrote:
dylmcf wrote:
Also how big is a jump
from a 125-600 compare to 125-300~?


That depends 100% on how much control you have of your right wrist (On the throttle!).


Gotta convince the parents on that , but I would assume a 600 would have more of a "Kick"? And would feel heavy ?
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I'd expect an R3 to be good for a sustained 80mph with decent earplugs. It'll go faster, but you won't necessarily want to hold it there for extended trips.

It'll be fun at lower speeds. What I found about 600cc+ IL4s (e.g. FZS600, CBR600F) is that by the time the laugh-tap comes on, I'm already going quicker than I want to. Some people love that, I don't.

Note, that's 4 cylinders. A big twin is a different proposition and rewards being ridden a big more lazily. It's not about capacity or even peak power, it's about where the power comes in, and how hard to have to ride to find it.

Any of the "300" bikes - CBR, Ninja, R3, RC390 - will be great fun (probably in that order) and can do anything.


Alright so currently I will check out the R3 , CBR 300 - 600 (Maybe) Ninja , and try and find a KTM Duke or RC390 somewhere around , never seen one on the road actually !

Thanks for the feedback , love hearing ideas and the pros/cons !
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PostPosted: 21:07 - 21 Nov 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

dylmcf wrote:
SophR so good wrote:
Budget? I'm 5'6" and am comfortable on my r3 (flat foot in jeans, tip toe in leathers). RC390 was too tall. Passed my test on a lowered er6n (which is like 1cm shorter than the er6f). Have heard positive things of a lowered r6. The gladius is also nice and short, but apparently shite. Most of the sportier things are too tall, I did have a sit on a few.

Oh and nobby insisted I was the right height on his exup.

It depends if you ever need to manouvre it with your feet really.. . I like the security to do that if I need to because I'm not a good rider, and I park in a garden, up a kerb then down a side passage.


How does the r3 performe highway wise ? I was looking at that I'm only 16 , so a when my parents hear that I'm
looking for something above 500 they shit bricks lol !


It'll do 100mph without too much trouble... I don't tend to do much high/motorway riding but it's perfectly comfortable at 70mph which is the limit here, and the tank is comfy to lie on behind the screen haha. The only thing it can't do is 30-70mph in 2 secs like the big bikes do.
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PostPosted: 22:50 - 21 Nov 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

dylmcf wrote:
Gotta convince the parents on that , but I would assume a 600 would have more of a "Kick"? And would feel heavy ?


I have to say that as you're a 16/17 year old I would suggest you ride something smaller for a few years.

However it really does come down to how restrained you can be (I don't think I'd have survived long if I'd had a 600 before the age of 21 tbh).

A 600 can be very fast, but so can a 300.
You can kill yourself on either if you ride like a dick (which means many things but mainly riding too fast and not allowing for others riding/driving like dicks).

Yes a 600 has more 'kick' than a 250/300 but it's completely down to yourself and your self restraint whether that's a problem.
As for feeling heavy, on the move the answer is No.
It'll feel more stable/secure/planted (call it what you want) whilst it's rolling however to push around it's obviously heavier.
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PostPosted: 23:41 - 21 Nov 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 09:44 - 22 Nov 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

I find that when you are sitting atop a bike while it's moving, the heavier it is, the more stable it feels. Sitting on any bigger bike after a 125 while it's stationary is going to feel heavy. Some sportbikes like the R6 are quite narrow and feel quite light and nimble when moving along.

I'd suggest getting on a couple of bigger bikes for a ride, to see how you feel. The most important thing should be your feet being able to touch the floor comfortably, without leaning the bike over too much.
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PostPosted: 15:14 - 22 Nov 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pjay wrote:
I find that when you are sitting atop a bike while it's moving, the heavier it is, the more stable it feels. Sitting on any bigger bike after a 125 while it's stationary is going to feel heavy.

At normal speeds, at low speeds heavy bikes can feel very unstable.
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