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PostPosted: 18:26 - 30 Nov 2016    Post subject: adult trike Reply with quote

I have a schwinn meridian trike I want to electrify. This is what I have in mind. A platform mounted on the rear after the basket has been trmoved. To that I mount a dc motor double ended, adding two rollers to the ends and two extension shafts cut to length plus two more rollers. Two will be couplers, two will press against the tires. 2 12volt batteries lead acid, twist throttle, on board commercial charger. What I need from you guys is info on the size, type of motor, specs to look for, as in wattage, current, hp, rpm, torque, ect. Brands, models would be a plus. The motor could be hinged or not. If hinged, rollers could be taken off the tires. If not I would need some form of protection to be sure motor and batteries are not harmed by the rotating rollers as I peddle. Sketch is posted. Any advice welcome.
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Ste
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PostPosted: 18:33 - 30 Nov 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sounds like you're looking for www.cyclechatforums.com
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PostPosted: 20:21 - 30 Nov 2016    Post subject: Re: adult trike Reply with quote

First off, the endless sphere forum has the most information in this area.

Having a dual friction drive drive from a single motor is a bit odd.

If you don't expect to have traction issues, you probably don't need two wheel drive. Further, you may find some issues turning.

As far as motor wattage, current, hp (This is power, same as wattage, different unit), rpm, torque etc - it depends what YOU want the trike to do.
Fast, or towing heavy stuff up steep slopes?
It's going to depend on the wheel size, circumference of friction material etc.

From your requirements, it's going to be 12v or 24v. If you don't care about efficiency, performance or weight there's lots of options. Be wary of starter motors however, they aren't designed for continuous running.

You can get ready to go kits/instructions for friction drives using outrunners. This is your bet for a friction drive.

However, I'd be tempted to just go for a front hub drive kit. Bolt in, no hassle and if you've got traction, should be fine even with weight on the back unless you've got massive power.

Anyway, there's absolutely loads of info out there. I'd suggest you should be explorer your options more with existing information rather than asking about specifics of the motor.
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PostPosted: 00:28 - 01 Dec 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry, but I will not entertain the idea of three wheeled bikes until
I have lost he use of my legs. have a seriously lowered IQ as the result of an accident, (still be able to drive a car tho, eh?)
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PostPosted: 09:17 - 01 Dec 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Forget about rollers on the tyres (too much wear). Power direct to the drive train. And then with a bit of magic, you can also charge the batteries while you are peddling Very Happy
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PostPosted: 10:06 - 01 Dec 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

iooi wrote:
Forget about rollers on the tyres (too much wear). Power direct to the drive train. And then with a bit of magic, you can also charge the batteries while you are peddling Very Happy

Friction drives aren't uncommon and setup right don't have to too unduly wear the tyre.

Powering the drive train, or adding a hub motor (though not sure of their availability does seem to make more sense).

Normally friction drives are used because they can be very small self contained.
For instance a kit like this can offer 1.5-3hp, automatically disengages when not powering and can be easily removed.

https://www.electricbike.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/KeplerBike21.jpg

Charging batteries while pedalling is pretty much always a waste of time. Regenerative braking has some uses, but adds weight and cost - for the same spend you could just buy another battery Smile.
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PostPosted: 09:50 - 02 Dec 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

G wrote:


Charging batteries while pedalling is pretty much always a waste of time. Regenerative braking has some uses, but adds weight and cost - for the same spend you could just buy another battery Smile.


I know the french have done this for years.....

Dynamo's have been around for years and would serve the purpose well. Wink
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PostPosted: 08:21 - 03 Dec 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dynamos can make a lot of sense if you want to simply power lights, especially with modern low power LEDs - no need to ever charge batteries etc.

However, in the case of charging an electric bike, you're taking mechanical energy so slowing you down, transferring it into electricity (some losses), storing it (more losses), then converting it back into mechanical energy (even more losses).
When a better way generally is to conserve the stored energy as it's originally stored - in your body and use directly it as needed.
I appreciate if you're say looking to go for a drag race, being able to peddle harder to store extra energy may be useful, or maybe if you haven't got gears - but otherwise it's generally going to slow your over journey down doing this, rather than speed it up.
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