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PostPosted: 23:54 - 08 Dec 2016    Post subject: Running in new tyres Reply with quote

Hello guys,

This is more geared towards the racers...
I was speaking to this very skilled rider the other day, he runs his tires in, right to the very edge in 50 miles, I thought that's a bit crazy.

How long do most of you spend running your tires in, and scraping the very edge of them? Am I being overly defensive when running in new tires? My first 30 or so miles alone must have been spent at under 30mph, and this was strictly 0 lean.

Winter right now so I won't be doing that just yet, but once things get warmer Smile))
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PostPosted: 00:06 - 09 Dec 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

ZX-7R wrote:
From what i understand these days,tyres are pretty much ready to go from the off.In the past they used a release agent to get them from the mould that left a bit of a coating,but modern processes don't do this,hence why you needed to wear it off before going full pelt.

I'm no racer,but i ride on brand new tyres no different to how i would on older ones.

50 miles is plenty if the weathers good and allows decent lean angles.Got to hit the edge sooner or later for the first time so no different if its 50 or 500 miles.


I guess I was being overly cautious, my understanding was that I be really careful for 50 miles at the very least before even starting to lean... good to know though...
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PostPosted: 00:15 - 09 Dec 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

I take it easy until the tyre is no longer shiny.

usually takes less than 50miles to "run them in"
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PostPosted: 00:16 - 09 Dec 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm hardly a racer. In fact, I'm very much not.

However, it has been recommended to me by a very experienced biker in the past that I should take it easy for the first 100 miles on new tyres.

I'm also aware that many other experienced bikers have got rid of their chickenstrips completely in around 20-30 miles.

Different folk will give you different opinions and it certainly is possible to hit the tarmac at (un)reasonable speed and lean angle on new tyres.

How much your chances of it going tits up increase, I couldn't say but, for the sake taking it easy for a little bit, I tend to stick on the side of caution.

I do happen to think that the 100 miles I was told is probably a little OTT.
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PostPosted: 00:20 - 09 Dec 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dave70 wrote:
I'm hardly a racer. In fact, I'm very much not.

However, it has been recommended to me by a very experienced biker in the past that I should take it easy for the first 100 miles on new tyres.

I'm also aware that many other experienced bikers have got rid of their chickenstrips completely in around 20-30 miles.

Different folk will give you different opinions and it certainly is possible to hit the tarmac at (un)reasonable speed and lean angle on new tyres.

How much your chances of it going tits up increase, I couldn't say but, for the sake taking it easy for a little bit, I tend to stick on the side of caution.

I do happen to think that the 100 miles I was told is probably a little OTT.
LOL with me living in London I'll do 100 miles before getting anywhere where I can get my kneedown Laughing
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PostPosted: 00:35 - 09 Dec 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

It depends entirely on what tyres and how much release compound is still present, surely?
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PostPosted: 00:35 - 09 Dec 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fit, ride, ignore.
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PostPosted: 00:43 - 09 Dec 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Back tyre I put the front wheel against a solid object dump the clutch and smoke it. Front tyre takes very little load in sprint.
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PostPosted: 08:17 - 09 Dec 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

I always scrub mine before riding

helps when you fit your own wheels Laughing

also about 20 miles
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PostPosted: 08:53 - 09 Dec 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've been advised by most that for the first 75-100 miles:
if its dry -> ride like its wet,
if it's wet -> ride like it's icy,
if it's icy -> be carreeffuulllll.

Having had umpteen new tires on the road, this advice has always kept me out of trouble.

For the track? Don't know, I've always had part worns.

Out of curiosity, what can you do with a track bike with new tires? Even if the bike is legal, the tires aren't (on the road) so do you just accept the first half of your day/few sessions are going to be spent wearing in the tires?
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PostPosted: 08:59 - 09 Dec 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mawsley wrote:
It depends entirely on what tyres and how much release compound is still present, surely?


They don't use it on modern tyres
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PostPosted: 09:12 - 09 Dec 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Finding this most interesting - I too have always been told by tyre fitters (before I started doing them myself) - to not lean the bike or go fast for 100 miles...

Same reason as stated above, to wait for the anti mould stuff to come off.

If that isnt relevant anymore that makes me feel safer Smile

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PostPosted: 10:01 - 09 Dec 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hawkeye1250FA wrote:
Finding this most interesting - I too have always been told by tyre fitters (before I started doing them myself) - to not lean the bike or go fast for 100 miles...

Same reason as stated above, to wait for the anti mould stuff to come off.

If that isnt relevant anymore that makes me feel safer Smile

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I got told, easy on throttle, by the time you're home with a few lane changes on the motorway you'll be fine but don't go getting your knee down for a day or two.

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PostPosted: 10:24 - 09 Dec 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is reassuring, guess it's best to take it easy anyway from the looks of things, but it's nice to hear that people are able to do these things within 20 miles, very reassuring, it's all very scary doing it since it will be my first time getting that low anyway Laughing
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PostPosted: 10:26 - 09 Dec 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Monkeywrencher wrote:
Mawsley wrote:
It depends entirely on what tyres and how much release compound is still present, surely?


They don't use it on modern tyres


If I remember correctly there is one manufacturer that still does and they still recommend going easy to start with, I'm fucked if I can remember who it was though Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 10:33 - 09 Dec 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

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This is more geared towards the racers...
I was speaking to this very skilled rider the other day, he runs his tires in, right to the very edge in 50 miles, I thought that's a bit crazy


isn't the racing tyre going to past its best after 50 miles ?

When i was racing karts the top lads would use a new set of boots each race day and do around 50 laps / 50 km before the boots where relegated to practice tyres or sold/given to us back markers.
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PostPosted: 10:48 - 09 Dec 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

ColinK98 wrote:
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This is more geared towards the racers...
I was speaking to this very skilled rider the other day, he runs his tires in, right to the very edge in 50 miles, I thought that's a bit crazy


isn't the racing tyre going to past its best after 50 miles ?

When i was racing karts the top lads would use a new set of boots each race day and do around 50 laps / 50 km before the boots where relegated to practice tyres or sold/given to us back markers.


By "Racers" I meant non-commuters :p you know, people who get their kneedown often, not "race race racers" Laughing

my apologies for the confusion - I have heard of people throwing their tires after a day of racing
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PostPosted: 10:49 - 09 Dec 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

ColinK98 wrote:
Quote:
This is more geared towards the racers...
I was speaking to this very skilled rider the other day, he runs his tires in, right to the very edge in 50 miles, I thought that's a bit crazy


isn't the racing tyre going to past its best after 50 miles ?

When i was racing karts the top lads would use a new set of boots each race day and do around 50 laps / 50 km before the boots where relegated to practice tyres or sold/given to us back markers.


By "Racers" I meant non-commuters :p you know, people who get their kneedown often, not "race race racers" Laughing

my apologies for the confusion - I have heard of people throwing their tires after a day of racing
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PostPosted: 11:05 - 09 Dec 2016    Post subject: Re: Running in new tyres Reply with quote

rapt0r1997 wrote:

My first 30 or so miles alone must have been spent at under 30mph, and this was strictly 0 lean.


If you're not leaning the bike then a) you're not making the corner (so in reality you are leaning) and b) you're not actually running the tyre in anyway. If you did 1000 miles bolt upright to run the tyre in, the edges of the tyre would still be as good as new.
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PostPosted: 11:07 - 09 Dec 2016    Post subject: Re: Running in new tyres Reply with quote

arry wrote:
rapt0r1997 wrote:

My first 30 or so miles alone must have been spent at under 30mph, and this was strictly 0 lean.


If you're not leaning the bike then a) you're not making the corner (so in reality you are leaning) and b) you're not actually running the tyre in anyway. If you did 1000 miles bolt upright to run the tyre in, the edges of the tyre would still be as good as new.

Totally agree. The idea is to lean a bit then lean a bit more until you can use right to the edge if your capabilities allow.
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PostPosted: 11:08 - 09 Dec 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hmm, yes, how are you going to scrub the full width of the tyre if you don't lean the bike?
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PostPosted: 11:21 - 09 Dec 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's the process of getting there - I always imagined it as a 200+ mile process or something, I guess I imagined those tires as scarier than they are.
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