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Waaarrrggghhh
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PostPosted: 12:31 - 09 Dec 2016    Post subject: Got my Mod 2 next week, need tips Reply with quote
Ok so I passed my mod 1, no mistakes.

Now I need to do my Mod 2 on Tuesday and I am a bit concerned about a few things. As I don't have an instructor and just learning on my own on a CBT license, I don't have access to expert advice so there are a few things I don't know about the test.

1. Do I have to look left/right before setting off every single time? If I'm waiting in the road to turn right, can I just look over my right shoulder or do I have to look over left and then right?

2. What's the correct separation distance between me and the car in front when we're stopped at the traffic lights?

3. Am I supposed to look over my right shoulder if I'm following the bend in a road, or is it only when I am going to turn right off a junction?

4. Do I have to look in my mirrors when I start to speed up/slow down when approaching speed signs? I saw that being mentioned in a youtube video, but I thought mirrors weren't a legal requirement for motorbikes/scooters. Also, am I supposed to make mirror checking obvious to the examiner by bobbing my head left and right and shuffling about on the seat to get a better view, or will they trust that I am looking into them?
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PostPosted: 12:55 - 09 Dec 2016    Post subject: Re: Got my Mod 2 next week, need tips Reply with quote
Waaarrrggghhh wrote:
1. Do I have to look left/right before setting off every single time? If I'm waiting in the road to turn right, can I just look over my right shoulder or do I have to look over left and then right?

I'd look the way you're going to go.


Waaarrrggghhh wrote:
2. What's the correct separation distance between me and the car in front when we're stopped at the traffic lights?

Be generous. Cars don't matter so much but I got dinged a minor for stopping too close behind a van. Stop well back and off to the side so that you can be seen in their mirrors.


Waaarrrggghhh wrote:
3. Am I supposed to look over my right shoulder if I'm following the bend in a road, or is it only when I am going to turn right off a junction?

At a junction, or when you're about to change lanes. Arguably when making a significant change of position within your lane. I actually do so, you never know when some cylopath or other biker is going to appear out of nowhere on one wheel.


Waaarrrggghhh wrote:
4. Do I have to look in my mirrors when I start to speed up/slow down when approaching speed signs?

Look, and look ostentatiously. Turn your head.
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PostPosted: 13:08 - 09 Dec 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote
As someone who passed it just over a month ago...

Loads of checks, I went over the top, don't think it harms anyone, just my opinion, in the real world I only do it when necessary of course.

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Most importantly, just be natural, and ride as you would, but with extra patience and hesitation, don't filter, you're not obliged.

If I rode like I ride in the real world I would have been pulled to the side and failed in 2 minutes, but some other riders can ride almost in the same way that they would ride in the real world.
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PostPosted: 13:23 - 09 Dec 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote
Lots of obs.
Make it obvious you're checking your mirrors/should checks - turn your head more than normal (in particular for mirror checks) so examiner can clearly see you doing it.
Relax. Don't do anything you don't have to. Don't rush but don't hesitate either.
If the instruction isn't clear just ride on as normal until you get the next instruction. Not carrying out an instruction or misunderstanding it isn't a fail.
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PostPosted: 13:39 - 09 Dec 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote
TheArchitect wrote:
Lots of obs.
Make it obvious you're checking your mirrors/should checks - turn your head more than normal (in particular for mirror checks) so examiner can clearly see you doing it.
Relax. Don't do anything you don't have to. Don't rush but don't hesitate either.
If the instruction isn't clear just ride on as normal until you get the next instruction. Not carrying out an instruction or misunderstanding it isn't a fail.


Very important part - this is not a navigation test (as my instructor told me) you can miss as many turns as you want, obviously won't look good if you can follow no instructions, but it's good to know you won't fail for taking the wrong turn or something.
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PostPosted: 13:51 - 09 Dec 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote
Good advice above. Main thing I found is to almost forget the examiner is following you, don't adjust your riding like your being followed by a friend who doesn't know where their going so you don't want to lose them. If he/she doesn't get through a junction or traffic light with you keep riding unless they tells you to pull in when safe, so choose a good spot as they will judge you on this. When he eventually catches up make sure you don't rush and do all the proper obs etc.

I also got a minor for pulling up too close behind a van, maybe a metre away from it.

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PostPosted: 14:01 - 09 Dec 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote
I purposely offset my mirrors by just a touch to remind me to move my head when looking in them.
Nothing much though, so you can still see stuff, but just enough to not be perfect. Worked as a great reminder to make it noticeable to the examiner that I'm using the mirrors, as it's all to easy to have them set up perfect and do nothing more than move your eyes.
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PostPosted: 15:32 - 09 Dec 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote
Pjay wrote:
I purposely offset my mirrors by just a touch to remind me to move my head when looking in them.
Nothing much though, so you can still see stuff, but just enough to not be perfect. Worked as a great reminder to make it noticeable to the examiner that I'm using the mirrors, as it's all to easy to have them set up perfect and do nothing more than move your eyes.


That's actually really smart!

Will keep in mind for my A... which is... 2 years away :'(
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PostPosted: 17:31 - 09 Dec 2016    Post subject: Re: Got my Mod 2 next week, need tips Reply with quote
Waaarrrggghhh wrote:
Ok so I passed my mod 1, no mistakes.

Now I need to do my Mod 2 on Tuesday and I am a bit concerned about a few things. As I don't have an instructor and just learning on my own on a CBT license, I don't have access to expert advice so there are a few things I don't know about the test.

1. Do I have to look left/right before setting off every single time? If I'm waiting in the road to turn right, can I just look over my right shoulder or do I have to look over left and then right?

2. What's the correct separation distance between me and the car in front when we're stopped at the traffic lights?

3. Am I supposed to look over my right shoulder if I'm following the bend in a road, or is it only when I am going to turn right off a junction?

4. Do I have to look in my mirrors when I start to speed up/slow down when approaching speed signs? I saw that being mentioned in a youtube video, but I thought mirrors weren't a legal requirement for motorbikes/scooters. Also, am I supposed to make mirror checking obvious to the examiner by bobbing my head left and right and shuffling about on the seat to get a better view, or will they trust that I am looking into them?


Hello mate..

Some tips for you:

1. Blind spot check before you move off from the roadside, i.e over your right shoulder. No big deal, just a glance. Remember you are not looking away up the road to check.. use your mirrors for that, then when you see the road is clear a quick sideways glance and set off. It is good practice just to have that sideways glance before you make a right turn. Not really necessary at protected right turns i.e if there is an island or hatch markings before the right turn area.

2. Separation distance... about one or two bike lengths, the idea being that if the car in front breaks down or can't move for whatever reason then you have an escape route.

3. No, don't look over your shoulder when going round bends. Jeezo.

4. Mirror checks are good practice when ur riding, slowing, speeding up, but yes check often - not for the tests, you should be doing so anyway. Bobbing your head about is not a big deal.. even if you are not bobbing your head about, we will assume / give you the benefit of the doubt that you are checking... Besides it's obvious from your riding whether or not you have a general awareness of what's going on round about you.

Hope that helps, good luck.
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PostPosted: 17:53 - 09 Dec 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote
rapt0r1997 wrote:
TheArchitect wrote:
Lots of obs.
Make it obvious you're checking your mirrors/should checks - turn your head more than normal (in particular for mirror checks) so examiner can clearly see you doing it.
Relax. Don't do anything you don't have to. Don't rush but don't hesitate either.
If the instruction isn't clear just ride on as normal until you get the next instruction. Not carrying out an instruction or misunderstanding it isn't a fail.


Very important part - this is not a navigation test (as my instructor told me) you can miss as many turns as you want, obviously won't look good if you can follow no instructions, but it's good to know you won't fail for taking the wrong turn or something.


Wonder if I could just find the nearest roundabout and just circle it for the entire test.

not saying I will go do this but it would be hilarious if this is allowed.

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PostPosted: 17:56 - 09 Dec 2016    Post subject: Re: Got my Mod 2 next week, need tips Reply with quote
DVSA Derek wrote:
Waaarrrggghhh wrote:
Ok so I passed my mod 1, no mistakes.

Now I need to do my Mod 2 on Tuesday and I am a bit concerned about a few things. As I don't have an instructor and just learning on my own on a CBT license, I don't have access to expert advice so there are a few things I don't know about the test.

1. Do I have to look left/right before setting off every single time? If I'm waiting in the road to turn right, can I just look over my right shoulder or do I have to look over left and then right?

2. What's the correct separation distance between me and the car in front when we're stopped at the traffic lights?

3. Am I supposed to look over my right shoulder if I'm following the bend in a road, or is it only when I am going to turn right off a junction?

4. Do I have to look in my mirrors when I start to speed up/slow down when approaching speed signs? I saw that being mentioned in a youtube video, but I thought mirrors weren't a legal requirement for motorbikes/scooters. Also, am I supposed to make mirror checking obvious to the examiner by bobbing my head left and right and shuffling about on the seat to get a better view, or will they trust that I am looking into them?


Hello mate..

Some tips for you:

1. Blind spot check before you move off from the roadside, i.e over your right shoulder. No big deal, just a glance. Remember you are not looking away up the road to check.. use your mirrors for that, then when you see the road is clear a quick sideways glance and set off. It is good practice just to have that sideways glance before you make a right turn. Not really necessary at protected right turns i.e if there is an island or hatch markings before the right turn area.

2. Separation distance... about one or two bike lengths, the idea being that if the car in front breaks down or can't move for whatever reason then you have an escape route.

3. No, don't look over your shoulder when going round bends. Jeezo.

4. Mirror checks are good practice when ur riding, slowing, speeding up, but yes check often - not for the tests, you should be doing so anyway. Bobbing your head about is not a big deal.. even if you are not bobbing your head about, we will assume / give you the benefit of the doubt that you are checking... Besides it's obvious from your riding whether or not you have a general awareness of what's going on round about you.

Hope that helps, good luck.


Definitely good stuff here, but I find that mirror checks are so excessive in the tests, in the real world you don't need half as many, this is the thing that's bad with tests, checks and whatnot are turned into a tickbox system, people should do checks when and where necessary and helpful.
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PostPosted: 18:02 - 09 Dec 2016    Post subject: Re: Got my Mod 2 next week, need tips Reply with quote
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Definitely good stuff here, but I find that mirror checks are so excessive in the tests, in the real world you don't need half as many, this is the thing that's bad with tests, checks and whatnot are turned into a tickbox system, people should do checks when and where necessary and helpful.


I don't think its much to ask to just take a quick peek at the mirros every 10 secs or so, and take a look at them before setting off.
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I failed first time, too close to vehicle in front on 70mph dual carriageway, the two second rule means the gap between you and the vehicle in front at 70mph is quite large - 14 car lengths, so leave the correct gap, 2nd time I corrected this fault and passed.
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PostPosted: 18:51 - 09 Dec 2016    Post subject: Re: Got my Mod 2 next week, need tips Reply with quote
DVSA Derek wrote:
Waaarrrggghhh wrote:
Ok so I passed my mod 1, no mistakes.

Now I need to do my Mod 2 on Tuesday and I am a bit concerned about a few things. As I don't have an instructor and just learning on my own on a CBT license, I don't have access to expert advice so there are a few things I don't know about the test.

1. Do I have to look left/right before setting off every single time? If I'm waiting in the road to turn right, can I just look over my right shoulder or do I have to look over left and then right?

2. What's the correct separation distance between me and the car in front when we're stopped at the traffic lights?

3. Am I supposed to look over my right shoulder if I'm following the bend in a road, or is it only when I am going to turn right off a junction?

4. Do I have to look in my mirrors when I start to speed up/slow down when approaching speed signs? I saw that being mentioned in a youtube video, but I thought mirrors weren't a legal requirement for motorbikes/scooters. Also, am I supposed to make mirror checking obvious to the examiner by bobbing my head left and right and shuffling about on the seat to get a better view, or will they trust that I am looking into them?


Hello mate..

Some tips for you:

1. Blind spot check before you move off from the roadside, i.e over your right shoulder. No big deal, just a glance. Remember you are not looking away up the road to check.. use your mirrors for that, then when you see the road is clear a quick sideways glance and set off. It is good practice just to have that sideways glance before you make a right turn. Not really necessary at protected right turns i.e if there is an island or hatch markings before the right turn area.

2. Separation distance... about one or two bike lengths, the idea being that if the car in front breaks down or can't move for whatever reason then you have an escape route.

3. No, don't look over your shoulder when going round bends. Jeezo.

4. Mirror checks are good practice when ur riding, slowing, speeding up, but yes check often - not for the tests, you should be doing so anyway. Bobbing your head about is not a big deal.. even if you are not bobbing your head about, we will assume / give you the benefit of the doubt that you are checking... Besides it's obvious from your riding whether or not you have a general awareness of what's going on round about you.

Hope that helps, good luck.


Just want to ask, could I in theory find a roundabout and circle it for the entire test?
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PostPosted: 20:14 - 09 Dec 2016    Post subject: Re: Got my Mod 2 next week, need tips Reply with quote
Waaarrrggghhh wrote:


Just want to ask, could I in theory find a roundabout and circle it for the entire test?

I would say no because the whole point of a test is to see what you are like on different types of roads and different speeds, plus you'd get dizzy and fall off.
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PostPosted: 20:23 - 09 Dec 2016    Post subject: Re: Got my Mod 2 next week, need tips Reply with quote
In theory you could, but it's risky, and I doubt the exminer would be very impressed.

He would most likely find something to fail you on in that case tbh
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PostPosted: 20:33 - 09 Dec 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote
rapt0r1997 wrote:
Very important part - this is not a navigation test (as my instructor told me) you can miss as many turns as you want, obviously won't look good if you can follow no instructions, but it's good to know you won't fail for taking the wrong turn or something.


Absolutely right! I repeatedly misheard or misunderstood the examiner's instructions on my mod 2, but somehow still passed. A little note of caution about this: it isn't a good idea to ignore his instructions if you take it at the wrong sort of test centre, simply because of the proximity to urban vs rural parts. If you mishear or misunderstand his instructions enough, your test will take an inordinately long time. This is more time for you to get things wrong. Also, if you mishear or misunderstand, your examiner will tell you to go down a route that ends up in a big circle back. At a test centre like Uxbridge, that's bad. There's one route that goes into the country from the test centre, through which most of the test routes go. The country side of the route is quite nice because there are few cars there - old Middlesex, or what very little's left of it. However, all other areas around the centre feature urban, dense, London-type, heavily-congested, badly planned roads. Idiotic pedestrians, commuters, the school run, etc. If you fail to take the examiner's directions you'll end up in the middle of all that.
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PostPosted: 20:39 - 09 Dec 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote
Tawny wrote:
rapt0r1997 wrote:
Very important part - this is not a navigation test (as my instructor told me) you can miss as many turns as you want, obviously won't look good if you can follow no instructions, but it's good to know you won't fail for taking the wrong turn or something.


Absolutely right! I repeatedly misheard or misunderstood the examiner's instructions on my mod 2, but somehow still passed. A little note of caution about this: it isn't a good idea to ignore his instructions if you take it at the wrong sort of test centre, simply because of the proximity to urban vs rural parts. If you mishear or misunderstand his instructions enough, your test will take an inordinately long time. This is more time for you to get things wrong. Also, if you mishear or misunderstand, your examiner will tell you to go down a route that ends up in a big circle back. At a test centre like Uxbridge, that's bad. There's one route that goes into the country from the test centre, through which most of the test routes go. The country side of the route is quite nice because there are few cars there - old Middlesex, or what very little's left of it. However, all other areas around the centre feature urban, dense, London-type, heavily-congested, badly planned roads. Idiotic pedestrians, commuters, the school run, etc. If you fail to take the examiner's directions you'll end up in the middle of all that.


In my opinion this is only to be taken advantage of for the purposes of peace of mind, you should ALWAYS follow his instructions, because you want him to like you, but at the same time you need to know that you should never make dangerous manouvers for the sake of those instructions, that's just me though, what od I know, just a 19 year old Laughing
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Just for a case study Wink

Someone got passed after doing 60 in a 50... the only thing the examiner said after the exam was "You should really watch your speedo" If you pee off the examiner, he will never let it slide, let's be honest, but if he likes you, perhaps he'll let one or two things go, just a possibility.

That speeding was easily failworthy, let's be honest, my examiner was nice and friendly off the bat... not the robotic tw** I expected, and I was super nice to him too, I'm sure I could have had more minors or something...
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rapt0r1997 wrote:
In my opinion this is only to be taken advantage of for the purposes of peace of mind, you should ALWAYS follow his instructions, because you want him to like you, but at the same time you need to know that you should never make dangerous manouvers for the sake of those instructions, that's just me though, what od I know, just a 19 year old


Yes, but if you try to win him over with charisma he won't be fooled, as he's likely to be over 40. Laughing
I don't think they really go by likes and dislikes though... Obviously if you swear and shout at him or call him names, it isn't going to help. But I doubt they'll be won over by a winsome smile and smoothness, unless you happen to be a young woman, of course.

In my case, it wasn't deliberate mishearing or misunderstanding him that was the problem. He just didn't project his voice very well, he had a bit of a regional accent, and spoke his directions only once. I misheard him twice, and ended up taking a long tour back to the test centre. I think my mod 2 was longer than an extended test for disqualified riders. He dismounted, head bowed, and walked into the test centre poker-faced. Obviously not happy but he was professional about it and didn't say anything or glower at me. I sheepishly apologised as he was walking in, but he didn't acknowledge this or react at all.
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PostPosted: 20:50 - 09 Dec 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote
Tawny wrote:
rapt0r1997 wrote:
In my opinion this is only to be taken advantage of for the purposes of peace of mind, you should ALWAYS follow his instructions, because you want him to like you, but at the same time you need to know that you should never make dangerous manouvers for the sake of those instructions, that's just me though, what od I know, just a 19 year old


Yes, but if you try to win him over with charisma he won't be fooled, as he's likely to be over 40. Laughing
I don't think they really go by likes and dislikes though... Obviously if you swear and shout at him or call him names, it isn't going to help. But I doubt they'll be won over by a winsome smile and smoothness, unless you happen to be a young woman, of course.

In my case, it wasn't deliberate mishearing or misunderstanding him that was the problem. He just didn't project his voice very well, he had a bit of a regional accent, and spoke his directions only once. I misheard him twice, and ended up taking a long tour back to the test centre. I think my mod 2 was longer than an extended test for disqualified riders. He dismounted, head bowed, and walked into the test centre poker-faced. Obviously not happy but he was professional about it and didn't say anything or glower at me. I sheepishly apologised as he was walking in, but he didn't acknowledge this or react at all.


Your one sounds like the robotic t*** I was talking about, professional or not, for many people (including myself) my heart was racing, least they can do is crack a smile or two...
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Just want to ask, could I in theory find a roundabout and circle it for the entire test? - No!! I would get bored. lol
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PostPosted: 21:32 - 09 Dec 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote
rapt0r1997 wrote:

Very important part - this is not a navigation test (as my instructor told me) you can miss as many turns as you want, obviously won't look good if you can follow no instructions, but it's good to know you won't fail for taking the wrong turn or something.


Very true.

I took the wrong exit at a roundabout and ended up in morrisons car park. Eventually found my way out of it, did two laps of the same roundabout to try and find the examiner, spotted him just as I was taking a different exit to the one he'd taken and had to turn around in another car park to get back to him. Laughing Embarassed

When we got back to the test centre he told me I'd passed (had 2 or 3 minors). He then had a bit of a chuckle about my 'detour'. I said to him that I thought I'd screwed it up when I realised that I was heading into the supermarket but, I was already committed to the turn by the time I realised. He explained that I'd carried out all the manoeuvres safely and that's what they're looking for.

That was my second attempt at mod 2.

I was failed the first time for "riding too close to the centre line" on an NSL country lane during the independent riding section. Even though they weren't blind bends and I had good visibility around them. So make sure you keep over to the left in such situations and good luck. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 21:33 - 09 Dec 2016    Post subject: Re: Got my Mod 2 next week, need tips Reply with quote
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In theory you could, but it's risky, and I doubt the exminer would be very impressed.

He would most likely find something to fail you on in that case tbh


No you couldn't you can be failed for continually ignoring the examiners directions as if you're avoiding certain places or trying to make the test easy.
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Yes,you could in theory circle a roundabout for the whole test. But if you passed, you would not get a normal license, just one to qualify you as a Wall of Death rider.
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