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TheArchitect
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PostPosted: 15:50 - 09 Dec 2016    Post subject: HID Conversion - Thoughts? Reply with quote

My last bike had HID kit already installed when I bought it. I personally thought it was great. Much whiter light and throws a lot further. And it looked a lot better on the bike too compared to the stock yellowish lights.

Bike I just bought has stock lights and I'm thinking to install HID kit.

But before I spend the money I wanted to get people's thoughts on HID kits in general and their worth.

so...type away...
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PostPosted: 15:56 - 09 Dec 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't.

Lots of fucking around with ballasts and wiring involved with retrofitting. Decent (Cree based) LED's bulbs, or Osram Nightbreakers. Both are much whiter than your standard 35/35 yellow crap. You're looking round 6000-8000K when looking at the colour temperature in the specs. After that it starts to go blue, under that, orange/yellow creeps in.
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PostPosted: 16:06 - 09 Dec 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

The GSR750 I previously owned had awful stock lights. I installed Philips X-treme Vision bulbs and to be honest it didn't make that much of a diference. The tint of the light changed to be slightly whiter but didn't do much for brightness or throw.

Are the Osram variety good, as in tried and tested and results confirmed?

Edit: is this MOT friendly?
https://www.osram.com/osram_com/news-and-knowledge/automotive-special/motorcycle-lighting/performance-motorcycle-lamps/index.jsp
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PostPosted: 16:27 - 09 Dec 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 16:40 - 09 Dec 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

TheArchitect wrote:
007 - why the oven? Confused


Melts the adhesive holding the lens on for removal.
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PostPosted: 16:43 - 09 Dec 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Two candles would be an improvement on a 600 Fazer standard setup.
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PostPosted: 00:48 - 10 Dec 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

HID's all the way the brighter the better. 4300K kit is brilliant white 6000k and above will have the blue tint to it. All depends on what bike you have if it's a pain in the ass to do. I fitted mine the other night in 15mins plug and play on a Gixer K6 thou. I had nightbreakers on my jeep and didn't find them that great.
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PostPosted: 03:57 - 10 Dec 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

007 wrote:


Are they dipped and main beam on the same bulb?
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PostPosted: 07:26 - 10 Dec 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

TheArchitect wrote:
Are the Osram variety good, as in tried and tested and results confirmed?

Edit: is this MOT friendly?
https://www.osram.com/osram_com/news-and-knowledge/automotive-special/motorcycle-lighting/performance-motorcycle-lamps/index.jsp



I use the Nightbreaker's, rather than the nightracers. Fantastic, better than all standard and normal "upgraded" bulbs I've tried, and the vast majority of LED (cheap) bulbs. I do have Cree based bulbs that are better again, but they have a chunky base and wiring, much like HID's, that 'aint gonna fit on the current bike. Not cheap though, at about £20 a bulb.

I've not tried either the Nightracers, or the Philip's you mention.
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PostPosted: 08:45 - 10 Dec 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

HIDS are a lot of fucking about and LED bulbs don't always end up as an improvement if said reflector bowl was not designed for them.

I've just stuck in a Phillips Extreme Vision +130% 2 for £22 and some LED sidelights for £4.95. Now all the old looking yellow halogen light has gone and I have nice whiter and also noticeably brighter lights!
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PostPosted: 09:18 - 10 Dec 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Osram Nighbreaker Unlimited H4 made a massive difference for me.
But I did raise the bulb adjustment up a bit after fitting it. They tend to come aimed too low from the factory. I had it checked by the MOT guy and the beam pattern was still legal.....just
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PostPosted: 23:13 - 11 Dec 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for input all. I did enquire with my regular garage and they reckon its only about an hours work (if that) and not as fiddly or prone to issues as one might get think.

I might however, try the osram bulb first and see how that goes for a while. Perhaps as tsmith mentions, adjusting the angle will make more of a difference.

Will try to report back win pics/results.
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PostPosted: 13:56 - 12 Dec 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

TheArchitect wrote:
Thanks for input all. I did enquire with my regular garage and they reckon its only about an hours work (if that) and not as fiddly or prone to issues as one might get think.


I've fitted countless HID kits in cars and it really only takes about 10 minutes per side - maybe 20minutes if you have to take off the headlight completely. I don't know about motorcycles if they're more fiddly or not, but shouldn't take them longer than 30mins.

Another note, is it even legal to have HID kits on bikes? I thought it might be if you don't have the correct beam pattern/self leveling.. But that could only apply to cars, I don't know.
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PostPosted: 15:19 - 12 Dec 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

onlyJaz wrote:
... is it even legal to have HID kits on bikes?.


As far as I know, the dipped beam is fine as long as the angle is correct. HID conversion on the full beam however, is a no no.

I had HID on my last bike (dipped beam) and was never an issue on the road or for MOT.
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PostPosted: 03:37 - 13 Dec 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Do try the osram nightbreakers, they work wonders on my bandit.
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PostPosted: 10:29 - 13 Dec 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

onlyJaz wrote:
I don't know about motorcycles if they're more fiddly or not, but shouldn't take them longer than 30mins..


It can take longer than 30 mins to get to the lights on some bikes... Laughing

The biggest issue on bikes is where to site the ballast. It needs to be protected, but in a area that allows for air flow to cool it.
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PostPosted: 23:52 - 18 Dec 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

onlyJaz wrote:
TheArchitect wrote:
Thanks for input all. I did enquire with my regular garage and they reckon its only about an hours work (if that) and not as fiddly or prone to issues as one might get think.


I've fitted countless HID kits in cars and it really only takes about 10 minutes per side - maybe 20minutes if you have to take off the headlight completely. I don't know about motorcycles if they're more fiddly or not, but shouldn't take them longer than 30mins.

Another note, is it even legal to have HID kits on bikes? I thought it might be if you don't have the correct beam pattern/self leveling.. But that could only apply to cars, I don't know.


There's no legislation in the uk regarding HIDS on bikes. They can be fitted with no issues.
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PostPosted: 00:31 - 19 Dec 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Where is best for upgrade bulbs?the headlight on my CB throws about the same kind of light as a candle through a piss soaked bed sheet.
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PostPosted: 02:22 - 19 Dec 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Had a play with a LED bulb that I was gonna buy off a mate and it was wicked, instant switching, really bright white light and way better than the standard 60/55W halogen in there.

The only issue..... The thing was just too long (weeyyyy) to fit in the headlamp shell. The combined heatsink/fan assembly was in total about 8mm to long to fit in my headlight. The same bulb (he bought a x2 car kit from china- hence me able to buy the second one) works well in his BMW tho.

Interestingly depite being sold as 55W LED Bulb, it only draws 35W on the bench power supply. Thats "Chinese watts" for you Laughing
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PostPosted: 09:34 - 19 Dec 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dropageardisappear wrote:
There's no legislation in the uk regarding HIDS on bikes. They can be fitted with no issues.

Your friendly neighbourhood MOT chappy might have some issues with the beam pattern.
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PostPosted: 22:57 - 20 Dec 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
Dropageardisappear wrote:
There's no legislation in the uk regarding HIDS on bikes. They can be fitted with no issues.

Your friendly neighbourhood MOT chappy might have some issues with the beam pattern.


HID's on bikes aren't under any traffic law so you don't get pulled for them by the cops. That's from a traffic cop. If there's no legislation on it how can it be an mot issue? It's very long winded but HID's on cars are an issue bikes aren't.
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PostPosted: 23:16 - 20 Dec 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dropageardisappear wrote:

HID's on bikes aren't under any traffic law so you don't get pulled for them by the cops. That's from a traffic cop. If there's no legislation on it how can it be an mot issue? It's very long winded but HID's on cars are an issue bikes aren't.


Nor are they on cars, rather than cars have conditions which if met on a new vehicle do allow them to be fitted. It could be said that as bike have no conditions allowing them to be fitted then they are not legal.

But as to MOT issues, with cars there is a specific ruling on them so even if properly adjusted, etc (probably not that likely) they they are illegal. With bikes you still have the beam test, and an HID in a lamp designed for a filament bulb is unlikely to have the light source in the same position and hence give a properly defined beam.

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