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PostPosted: 10:50 - 03 Jan 2017    Post subject: Where is a bikes original max net power found? Reply with quote

I'm looking at GSXR600 SRADS and lots of people claim they're this and that and the other, some say 92bhp (most say this is rear wheel, not crank).

I've messaged some people selling the said bike, and all have said the max net power is not on their bikes V5 (like mine says 50 something KW on there), so what original power statistics would someone go by in order to find a bikes original power? Are they allowed to say one size fits all and say this is claimed so your one produces this?

Edit: This is just out of interest in case anyone knows, not buying a second bike for another good few months regardless.
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PostPosted: 11:19 - 03 Jan 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

That 92 figure is taken from this https://www.mcnews.com/mcn/articles/2010JanIndex.pdf

Rear wheel figure done by the mag on a dyno.

Net engine power will be what Suzuki claims at the crank.
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PostPosted: 11:35 - 03 Jan 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

wr6133 wrote:
That 92 figure is taken from this https://www.mcnews.com/mcn/articles/2010JanIndex.pdf

Rear wheel figure done by the mag on a dyno.

Net engine power will be what Suzuki claims at the crank.


Roger, but if it's not on the V5, how can they prove that as new it produced over 94? Are they allowed to go one size fits all?
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PostPosted: 11:37 - 03 Jan 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Aloysius Parker wrote:
The only way to find out for sure is by phoning Suzuki.


True but they'll just give me their specs off some table, but since the power isn't on the V5, how do they know how much this one specific 600 SRAD produced at factory new, I say they I mean coppers mainly if they were to hypothetically pull me over in my hypothetical SRAD.

Not contemplating getting one but I'm just interested in understanding how it works, if anyone knows... Smile
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PostPosted: 11:39 - 03 Jan 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

With it not being there could I potentially give it a run on a dyno and ask the DVLA to update the V5 by adding 70KW as the Net Power?
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PostPosted: 12:27 - 03 Jan 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Nobody knows. It's not defined in statute, it's not defined in regulations, DVLA doesn't keep a register, DVLA doesn't care about your bike, and power output isn't one of the notifiable facts. It's between you, and your insurer, the copper on the scene, and/or the judiciary.

You could fill it any number you like in section 4 and send it off with a PaddyCerttm. Costs you nothing to try.
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PostPosted: 12:53 - 03 Jan 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

rapt0r1997 wrote:
if it's not on the V5, how can they prove that as new it produced over 94? Are they allowed to go one size fits all?


The power on the V5 is just the manufacturers declared output. They don't Dyno every bike and provide the DVLA with a custom figure for each.
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PostPosted: 13:00 - 03 Jan 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

You are getting close to A+ grade autistic.

No, you can't ride an SRAD. Stick with your lawnmower for now, wait until tests done then full powaaahhh.

Failing that, just buy a GSXR1000, might as well break the law in style.
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PostPosted: 13:52 - 03 Jan 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

wr6133 wrote:
rapt0r1997 wrote:
if it's not on the V5, how can they prove that as new it produced over 94? Are they allowed to go one size fits all?


The power on the V5 is just the manufacturers declared output. They don't Dyno every bike and provide the DVLA with a custom figure for each.


Just to clear it up: I don't want an SRAD, not planning on one, but I was just interested to see how this works, too much hassle when I'll still be riding restricted cause I'm a good young lad.

I was wondering whether putting in custom V5 Max Net Power inputs is possible is all, purely out of interest here, but if it's autistic I take it it wouldn't be a HYPOTHETICAL option.

Second bike I'm still not sure what I'd go for, all depends on prices at the time and whatnot, waiting for my inevitable payrise in the next few months which should hopefully give me a rough budget.

Cheers guys Smile
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PostPosted: 16:09 - 03 Jan 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

rapt0r1997 wrote:

Just to clear it up:


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PostPosted: 19:01 - 03 Jan 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think they claimed 104bhp at the crankshaft?

What I don't get is why you think there is alot of variance between specific examples of this bike? They being Japanese and mass produced, probably don't vary much between different bikes picked out of a crate, but that's for zero mile all new bikes.

You can't expect a manufacturer to claim for or allow for a 10year old 600 that could have done any number of miles, and been treated in a huge variety of ways over that time.
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PostPosted: 08:44 - 04 Jan 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

wr6133 wrote:
The power on the V5 is just the manufacturers declared output. They don't Dyno every bike and provide the DVLA with a custom figure for each.


Interestingly Ducati dyno every bike that comes off the production line.
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PostPosted: 09:03 - 04 Jan 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rockhopper wrote:
wr6133 wrote:
The power on the V5 is just the manufacturers declared output. They don't Dyno every bike and provide the DVLA with a custom figure for each.


Interestingly Ducati dyno every bike that comes off the production line.


Do they put a different power figure on every V5 though?
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PostPosted: 09:14 - 04 Jan 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ok, so they dyno to register the bikes and input the V5, that's cool, and good to know, however can the V5 max net power section be modified after purchase?

I'll give a call to DVLA when I have time, this would open up a bunch of bikes that riders can get that are a tiny bit just over 94bhp.
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PostPosted: 09:34 - 04 Jan 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why would the DVLA be interested in the exact bhp of your bike?
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PostPosted: 09:41 - 04 Jan 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

rapt0r1997 wrote:
Ok, so they dyno to register the bikes and input the V5, that's cool, and good to know, however can the V5 max net power section be modified after purchase?

I'll give a call to DVLA when I have time, this would open up a bunch of bikes that riders can get that are a tiny bit just over 94bhp.


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PostPosted: 09:57 - 04 Jan 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

rapt0r1997 wrote:
Ok, so they dyno to register the bikes and input the V5, that's cool, and good to know, however can the V5 max net power section be modified after purchase?

I'll give a call to DVLA when I have time, this would open up a bunch of bikes that riders can get that are a tiny bit just over 94bhp.


It doesn't matter what you can doctor the V5 to read it's whatever the manufacturer claims the power output is, you can dyno the fucking arse off an SRAD or anything else until you tweak it enough to hit 94bhp so it can be restricted but if Suzuki or whoever say well our book figure is 110bhp you're still riding illegally.
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PostPosted: 10:03 - 04 Jan 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

tom_e wrote:
it's whatever the manufacturer claims the power output is, you can dyno the fucking arse off an SRAD or anything else until you tweak it enough to hit 94bhp so it can be restricted but if Suzuki or whoever say well our book figure is 110bhp you're still riding illegally.

Citation?
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PostPosted: 10:31 - 04 Jan 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

rapt0r1997 wrote:
Ok, so they dyno to register the bikes and input the V5, that's cool, and good to know, however can the V5 max net power section be modified after purchase?

I'll give a call to DVLA when I have time, this would open up a bunch of bikes that riders can get that are a tiny bit just over 94bhp.



No. Ducati dyno their bikes to make sure that they're running properly and at their designed output. They don't change the figure on the V5 based on this dyno run.

People like you really get on my tits. You ask a question on a forum because you haven't got a clue, then proceed to argue when you're given an answer different to the one you wanted. Ring the DVLA if you like, they'll tell you exactly what we've told you (they'll probably be confused too).

Do your tests and ride whatever you like.
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PostPosted: 10:33 - 04 Jan 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ste wrote:
tom_e wrote:
it's whatever the manufacturer claims the power output is, you can dyno the fucking arse off an SRAD or anything else until you tweak it enough to hit 94bhp so it can be restricted but if Suzuki or whoever say well our book figure is 110bhp you're still riding illegally.

Citation?


Book of Mormon. Chapter 11 Verse 4.

Apart from that we'll never get a solid answer until someone decides to actually take it as far as court when they're challenged and an actual ruling is made.

Until that point then it seems sensible to assume that the courts would take into account the easiest and most available stated power and therefore that one provided by the manufacturer rather than individually dynoing every bike ever made and applying the restriction rules on an individual bike by bike basis.

Then again when have laws ever been common sense.
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PostPosted: 10:40 - 04 Jan 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

rapt0r1997 wrote:
Ok, so they dyno to register the bikes and input the V5, that's cool, and good to know, however can the V5 max net power section be modified after purchase?

I'll give a call to DVLA when I have time, this would open up a bunch of bikes that riders can get that are a tiny bit just over 94bhp.


How do you manage to out-mong yourself with every post? It's a fucking art, it really is
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PostPosted: 12:06 - 04 Jan 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Before you move onto bigger and better bikes OP - could you at least try to take the frankly mahoosive chicken strips off the rear tyre of your ER6 by actually cornering your current bike. K Thx.
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PostPosted: 12:16 - 04 Jan 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

arry wrote:
Before you move onto bigger and better bikes OP - could you at least try to take the frankly mahoosive chicken strips off the rear tyre of your ER6 by actually cornering your current bike. K Thx.


LOL, I recently was checking my tires while setting up my DIY coolant bottle holder with a good friend of mine, it turns out I was going low enough to get rid of them at a few points but I just didn't do it enough (a couple of nice decent roundabouts on the way to a mates house), now with it being so cold and wet* I'm not even leaning a little bit.

My new years resolution was to get rid of those, promise I will, all in good time! Very Happy
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