three x's weekly wage fine for speeding?

[Kaya75]

Saw this on the news this morning. What's the point?

I need ditch my plates, ditch my job and get a good solid drug habit and just steal my next bike, I'll be ok I'll be protected by drug workers and judges with no space in jail and coppers who can't give chase to bikes.

Got to be better then working fulltime, paying taxes and getting screwed by .gov at every turn..

https://news.sky.com/story/tougher-fines-to-hit-serious-speeding-offenders-in-the-pocket-10740681
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[BTTD]

Last October I got off the ferry at Dover after driving from Austria all the way up through Germany. A trip I've done several times, and for the first time it really struck me how pointless the blanket 70mph limit is.
Yes, there are some area's where a limit makes sense, but there are plenty of sections of motorway where it's reasonable to do 100mph if traffic allows. I'd just been doing exactly that in Germany, and yet here a few hours later I could lose my licence for doing the same on an empty road.

[pinkyfloyd]

Of course you could not speed and therefore have no fear of being fined.

Just a thought.
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[ScaredyCat]

New law sponsored by Wonga?
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[bugeye_bob]

Most Coppers don`t care about 90/100 mph if the conditions are ok, its the idiots trying to do 100 mph on a slow moving motorway, weaving or tailgating, on these Police Camera action type shows they even talk about this,
so it isnt a 70 or you will be shot, oh no that was if you went slower then 70 you would be shot (Jeremy Clarkson joke).

[Rogerborg]

If speed enforcement was about targeting actually hazardous behaviour, no problem. IME, it's done in areas where the majority of drivers have decided (often correctly) that a dogmatically posted speed is unreasonably low. 30mph "urban" dual carriageways with no foot traffic and good visibility to the sides being the prime example round my way. I've been done at 48 on one of them (hang hiiiim), on a road where cop cars from the station at the end of it can regularly be seen tearing up and down it far in excess of that speed.
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[Kris]

Thanet Way in Kent is now down to 50mph from NSL because roadworks yeah. Although there are none currently.

People still regularly do 80-90 mph down it because it's a two lane dual carriageway with Armco and largely lit, so it looks just like the M2 it eventually connects to.

Totally unrealistic speed limit and now people doing 90 will get hammered if caught.
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[Kaya75]

[Lord Percy]

Got caught going around 80 in a tiny, pointless stretch of motorway through Edinburgh which has a permanent 50 limit. Looks and feels like a motorway but they made one little 500m stretch of it into 50, I was fuming.

I was in a hire car too so I've no idea what happens now. Just waiting for whatever to come in the post.

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[iooi]

[Evil Hans]

looks like 1.5x rather than three x

Or did I miss something?
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[Rogerborg]

Bikers have it twice as hard, obvs.
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[M.C]

[Kaya75]

TL:DR zero tolerance will lead to more issues then having a system based on common sense and holistic view

Fuk me already! Idk, I come on here for a half decent rant and all I get in return is insightful reason! Wft lol!

Fair points one and all.. I'll oblige a answer or two..

Calculus. Speedo calibration, Easy I messed up the final drive ratio, my bad it was early b4 coffee.

3x salary.. Easy I messed up simple multiplication.. See above excuse.. Having said that, salary is about 1.5x your actual take home. Now far be it from me to assume they will account for salary before deductions or after (I learnt that BCF require sources )

10% tolerance plus 2mph, Sunday times, stating uk police guidelines source not verified beyond reference. https://www.driving.co.uk/news/just-1mph-too-fast-and-youre-nicked-new-zero-tolerance-approach-to-speeding/

I'm not fussed about speed limits and agree about lines in the sand, but I'm also of the opinion that 3 points and a flat rate fine is deterrent enough for me, 98% of the time- source: see my sig, refer to bike list 🤔 so really why would we joe public be happy to welcome a further way to drain money from our children's mouths no less!! Kittens will starve mark my words!

My point is most of us as this threads illustrates are deterred from tear arsing around like the bmx bandits on crystal meth. However that is my point, measures like these produce short term results with catostrophic effects.. Not meth btw, but that too.

The problem is as I see this shit, the squeezed middle is pretty much squeezed out. More people are squeezed the more they pop out of the system they can't afford not to have.

Example Sky Sports, now right or wrong we all know people who "must" have big dollar live sporting action on sky, can't afford it so opt for a dodgy box, 50 quid from Dave's mate down the pub..

No kittens killed, everyone is a winner, well no they arn't but hey it's data it's not real..

So what happens when the system starts to squeeze motorist eventually people drop out of the system, after all your car or bike or truck still runs without tax, insurance, legal plates or not, all of which goes a long way to keeping all road users safe. No insurance, fakery plate action will see normal good people run from the accident, not because they are murdering scum, but because they got tempted by Dave's mate into buying a couple of safe plates, they won't run for long cuz they can't, no running skills, they will be caught and fucked again, prison whatever. All because of a system that is close to zero tolerance.

Source me a zero tolerance system of prohibition that has being proven to work. (That doesn't include a corporal or capital punishment)

Enforcers of which I do speak are just the grey old establishment, parliamentary types to be honest but enforcers non the less.

Brexit does indeed mean Brexit, but importing cars from the states has always being pretty easy going. I can't see Brexit effecting anyone riding a euro plated bike around, in fact it'll probably be advantageous the data sharing treaties will be smoke, any search requests short of Interpol will take about ten years to complete. Im not condoning this, I was ranting shite, but even so people will do this, taking risks to avoid penalties they deem unreasonable.

No I don't mean discrimination of legal / illegal of course lines must exist, though the illusion of freedom we all hold dear, may only be found in the blurry part of the line. I want my lines to be drawn in soft warm dry summer sand, not hold cold wet winter, those lines are sharper.

Point is zero tolerance will lead to more issues then having a system based on common sense and holistic view. By your definition of a line may as well be drawn with a blanket 70mph physical speed restricted engine. We've all being in situations where a bit of distance is needed to make safe space around us, car, bike, truck whatever, on a bike it's a buzz on the throttle, but if you are blocked up with cars and trucks on a average speed limit road, you are trapped in a section which common sense says would be far safer to leave behind, but the zero tolerance law makes common sense illegal (the common sense being the ten percent plus two mph over limit), so we risk the ticket maybe, less tolerance more risk, at the end of the day, more risk equals to deeper shit, eventually.

Nice one for comments, all fair points [/i]
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[Robby]

This is the maximum fines that can be issued. The sort that get handed down by a judge when you go to court over a speeding ticket. Currently that is set at 100% of your weekly wage, the new limit is 150% of your weekly wage.

For the majority of us on here getting caught by a camera doing a bit over the limit, you will still be offered a speed awareness course or 3 points and and a small fine.

[M.C]

[stinkwheel]

[NutsyUk]

Again, Im on the view... just stay within the speed limit... no fines no foul, no points...

However. I am also on the view. At least on motorways. Yeah the speed limit should be higher than 70 mph... I think 90 is reasonable in todays cars with modern braking...

Perhaps they should have a rule. 90 in the dry. 70 in the wet?

Im surprised to see you can go 60 round tight little country lanes. I actually thought they were meant to be 40. (they should be tbh)

60 or 70 on a duel carriage way is fine tbh... Its NOT a motorway.

Also as for London 20mph limit... I agree with it, Tbh its rare you can find a space to get your car above 20 anyway, so makes no difference. And I think its smart given how many people are in the built up areas...


Hate me for not thinking everyone should go bazillion miles per hour where ever they like... But in all honesty, the speed limits were brought in for a damn good reason.

They just needed to be changed in line with modern generation (30 40 years) car tech...
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[Rogerborg]

[NutsyUk]

? i realise the reports for excessive speeding...

I was only commenting on what some one else mentioned about londons 20mph zones....

i also read the sunday times link about removing the old thresholds being taken away... well thats a shitter... as most speedoes arnt accurate within 2mph.
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