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kingnathski88
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PostPosted: 09:42 - 25 Jan 2017    Post subject: New PC Build - Motherboard Choices Reply with quote

Hi All

I am about to re-build my current system. Looking to build something to last the next 5 years and to handle video editing and largely productivity based. Will play a few games but nothing taxing, maybe simulators etc.

Currently running Windows 7 with the following:

Arrow AMD Phenom II X4 955 @ 3.2 GHz
Arrow 8GB Corsair Vengance Ram
Arrow Samsung 840 250GB SSD (Boot)
Arrow WD 2TB (Storage)
Arrow Gigabyte 560 Ti

Had the system since about 2011 so now over 5 years old. I was looking to move to Intel and build with the new i7 along with a Z270 board.

I am going to move to Windows 10 and was looking at the following although with regards to the board I am unsure as to go for the Tuf Mark 2 or Prime Z270-A (likely to be preferred) followed by either Z270-L or Z270-P. Limit is about £150 on the board and i'd like a good mix of USB 3.0 and 3.1 ports to help 'future proof' the build for at least another 5 years.

Arrow Intel Core i7 7700K 4.2 GHz
Arrow Asus Prime Z270-A
Arrow Corsair Vengeance 16GB RAM (2x8GB) - DDR4 2400 MHz
Arrow Samsung 850 EVO 500 GB SSD (Boot and applications)
Arrow WD 4TB Blue (Storage)
Arrow Graphics - potentially RX480 (recommended on a previous build for a friend)

I was just wondering if anyone had done a build on any of the new Z270 boards and had any advice?

Also - re the ram - I found the 2400 RAM at £104.98 but I have also seen 3000 RAM at £107.99.

I don't plan on overclocking the system. Would I be better off getting the ram at 2400 or 3000?

Thanks in advance for any input Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 07:34 - 29 Jan 2017    Post subject: Re: New PC Build - Motherboard Choices Reply with quote

kingnathski88 wrote:
Hi All

I am about to re-build my current system. Looking to build something to last the next 5 years and to handle video editing and largely productivity based. Will play a few games but nothing taxing, maybe simulators etc.

Currently running Windows 7 with the following:

Arrow AMD Phenom II X4 955 @ 3.2 GHz
Arrow 8GB Corsair Vengance Ram
Arrow Samsung 840 250GB SSD (Boot)
Arrow WD 2TB (Storage)
Arrow Gigabyte 560 Ti



Had the system since about 2011 so now over 5 years old. I was looking to move to Intel and build with the new i7 along with a Z270 board.

I am going to move to Windows 10 and was looking at the following although with regards to the board I am unsure as to go for the Tuf Mark 2 or Prime Z270-A (likely to be preferred) followed by either Z270-L or Z270-P. Limit is about £150 on the board and i'd like a good mix of USB 3.0 and 3.1 ports to help 'future proof' the build for at least another 5 years.

Arrow Intel Core i7 7700K 4.2 GHz
Arrow Asus Prime Z270-A
Arrow Corsair Vengeance 16GB RAM (2x8GB) - DDR4 2400 MHz
Arrow Samsung 850 EVO 500 GB SSD (Boot and applications)
Arrow WD 4TB Blue (Storage)
Arrow Graphics - potentially RX480 (recommended on a previous build for a friend)

I was just wondering if anyone had done a build on any of the new Z270 boards and had any advice?

Also - re the ram - I found the 2400 RAM at £104.98 but I have also seen 3000 RAM at £107.99.

I don't plan on overclocking the system. Would I be better off getting the ram at 2400 or 3000?

Thanks in advance for any input Thumbs Up


Just fitted the following https://www.scan.co.uk/products/3xs-z270-overclocked-bundle-intel-core-i5-7600k-kaby-lake-asus-prime-z270-p-16gb-ddr4-be-quiet!-dark

With a Rx480 8gb it's a absolute beast, runs everything on ultra at 60-90 fps a 1080 Doom I've seen a ridiculous 160 fps.

I'd go with the Asus z270 p lovely board.

If it's for gaming only sack the I7 off and just get the I5 barely any difference between them other than price.
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PostPosted: 08:39 - 29 Jan 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

You don't need fast RAM, if you won't use the GFX core of the CPU. Thumbs Up

If you don't want to OC anything and you will run only one GFX card (even if 2 cards), then the Z chipset is also a ''waste'' of money. Not to mention the K CPUs are still overclocable even on non Z chipsets. High end i5 is also a better choice, if gaming is what you want.

EDIT: I got the i5 6600 and comparing it to significantly more expensive i7 6700, the only real reason for the price difference is the hyperthreading, which games don't use, at all. Both chips are 65W TDP, i7 is 100Mhz faster and has extra 2 MB of cache. Both overclockable to about the same 3.8GHz, HD Graphics 530 on both chips of the same specs.

https://cpuboss.com/cpus/Intel-Core-i7-6700-vs-Intel-Core-i5-6600

Almost forgot: Wait for Ryzen. Laughing
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PostPosted: 05:08 - 06 Feb 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not been following the Z270 board choices as the new chips are better binned previous versions, typical intel...

Anyway, just get the one you like the look of and has the features you require, for me it would normally be an ASUS ROG or TUF board depending on the build, I love overclocking so TUF boards are normally my go to as they can handle the abuse.

Also get the faster RAM, don't see much point in retarding your chip to save a few quid...

Then again you said you don't plan on overclocking, so get a locked CPU and non-Z board as you're not going to use the features, pointless buying unlocked chips if you're not going to have the stones to push the bloody thing.
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PostPosted: 12:27 - 06 Feb 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just buy a mac.
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PostPosted: 15:15 - 06 Feb 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

RhynoCZ wrote:
You don't need fast RAM, if you won't use the GFX core of the CPU. Thumbs Up



https://cpuboss.com/cpus/Intel-Core-i7-6700-vs-Intel-Core-i5-6600

Almost forgot: Wait for Ryzen. Laughing


Strange, so RAM isn't utilised by a system at all unless you're using the GPU on the CPU? Never heard of this before. Could you expand on this?
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PostPosted: 17:49 - 06 Feb 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

lihp wrote:
Just buy a mac.


Typical Windows fanboys have to downvote, to hide the far superior option that I put forward Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 18:55 - 06 Feb 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

TUG wrote:
RhynoCZ wrote:
You don't need fast RAM, if you won't use the GFX core of the CPU. Thumbs Up



https://cpuboss.com/cpus/Intel-Core-i7-6700-vs-Intel-Core-i5-6600

Almost forgot: Wait for Ryzen. Laughing


Strange, so RAM isn't utilised by a system at all unless you're using the GPU on the CPU? Never heard of this before. Could you expand on this?


Of course the system still uses the RAM if you run a dedicated GPU. BUT it's when using a APU where speed of RAM (being the video memory) really defines the actual performance of the system. If you google/youbook look at APU with various RAM speeds.

Like so
https://blogs-images.forbes.com/jasonevangelho/files/2014/08/RAM-Speed-Comparison.png
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PostPosted: 21:37 - 06 Feb 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

lihp wrote:
lihp wrote:
Just buy a mac.


Typical Windows fanboys have to downvote, to hide the far superior option that I put forward Rolling Eyes

I run OS X on a PC so I'm conflicted.
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TUG
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PostPosted: 04:59 - 07 Feb 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

RhynoCZ wrote:


Of course the system still uses the RAM if you run a dedicated GPU. BUT it's when using a APU where speed of RAM (being the video memory) really defines the actual performance of the system. If you google/youbook look at APU with various RAM speeds.

Like so
https://blogs-images.forbes.com/jasonevangelho/files/2014/08/RAM-Speed-Comparison.png


That's an APU which is very different kind of running. you want stuff like this to read.

https://www.overclock.net/t/1487162/an-independent-study-does-the-speed-of-ram-directly-affect-fps-during-high-cpu-overhead-scenarios
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