Which 2T sports bike???

[TPW97]

Hi guys I'm new on here but I've been riding for just over 18 months atm I'm riding a Honda nsr 125 and I love it but my cbt will be running out in June so I'm gonna get my a2 liscence done before that runs out and I'll then be looking to buy a bigger 2T sports bike and was wondering which ones you all think are better/worse and why
Thanks for any replies
Tom
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[Monkeywrenche...]

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An A2 licence has a power to weight limit of 0.2KW per KG. A 250 2T will be way over that.

The upper limit of 47bhp (35KW) is fairly standard for a 250 sports 2 stroke. Most of these will weigh a lot less than 140KG's, meaning anything over 30bhp will be over the limit.
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[TPW97]

Could I not restrict a nsr 250 for example to make it legal or if not would a nsr 150 be much of an improvement on my 125 apart from looking better??
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[Monkeywrenche...]

[TPW97]

I'm not quite sure but I'd of thought that they could be restricted similar to how a nsr 125 was restricted when it was brand new, I might be wrong in thinking that
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[Monkeywrenche...]

[TPW97]

Well if a nsr 250 puts out 45bhp which leave it under the 47 that your allowed with an a2, how likely is it that I'd be caught out on the power to weight ratio or dya think a nsr 150 would be a noticeable improvement to my 125 cause it has 39bhp
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[G]

I was lucky in that I had various 2 stroke sports bikes when the market bottomed out.

£900 for an RS250 - definitely recommend.

£2500 - £5000 for an RS250 - while they are good fun, I'm not so sure it's worth it. Though, if you keep it in good nick, hopefully it'll keep it's value.

They are great fun, but there's lots of ways to have fun on a bike.

If I had that to spend, at some point I'd consider a 250mx bike with supermoto wheels - ideally a KTM250SX. Should be a similar revvy experience, even less weight and similar peak power to an RS or similar.
This would be a toy-only bike.

However an RS250 is much more of a toy-only bike compared to an NSR125.

[TPW97]

Bloody hell wish it was £900 for one now a days my next bike will only be for fun anyway like for weekend use and riding after work because I'll be getting a car for everyday commuting and I'll be keeping my nsr for commuting until then, what did ya think of your rs
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[stevo as b4]

It's simple, forget old 2 strokes on an A2 license.

There is nothing suitable other than a full power 125 or a big bore tuned one.

Why are you so obsessed in 2017 with a bigger two stroke bike while on a restricted license? You'll be buying an old probably unreliable bike, no one else in you situation would want one either.

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3MA TZR or KR1S ftw.

2k for a wreck, 5k for something useable.

If you were clever you could then fit a Zeeltronic and limit the power electronically via live mapping so it was legal without affecting the running too much.

But you'll buy an SV 650.
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FZS600 is the king of the the A2 category.

[chris-red]

2t sports bikes are too dear now.

The cheapest I can see on ebay is 2300, it is 30 years old and looks scruffy and tired.

You could spend half that on a reasonable SV650 then, spend the rest on a full service and suspension upgrade and have a bike that is better in every way barring cool factor.
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[TPW97]

The reason I want a two stroke is because they're more fun to ride I don't mind about the reliability because my dads a mechanic I was just asking which you all thought was the best thanks for your replie and I definitely won't be getting a sv650
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[TPW97]

Mines already derestricted it doesn't have a sports exhaust yet though and what about nsr 150 they apparently put out 39hp so if ya tuned it up abit surely that would be nippy??
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[andyscooter]

Are there any nsr150s for sale in the uk though ?

Did we get them as laws were different then?

Both genuine queastioins as because of our laws we didnt get many 150 s
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[TPW97]

Not so many but there has been a few on eBay imported from Japan and they look in mint condition and they look smart in the repsol colours with the single sided swing arm
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[chris-red]

[Teflon-Mike]

To meet the A2 PTW limit, you have to be over 175Kg to be able to have all 45bhp allowed by licence limits.

Original 86'sh Yamaha TZR250, delivered 47bhp, and weighed in at around 125Kg.... Even THAT would have to be restricted to be made A2 complaint, and by a lot more than the 2bhp they shaved off for the home market when Japan had a 45bhp power limit; you'd need to restrict it down to 25Kw, less than 33bhp to remain with licence limits.

Kawasaki's KR1/S delivered 55/60bhp and weighed in at 125Kg.. and you are perilousely close to NOT beg able to restrict at all, due to the 'half' orginal power rule.

Aprillia RS250, claimed the most power of the 250 Super-Sports, 72bhp, it was also one of the heavier at 140Kg, but do the sums, and 0.2Kw/Kg x140Kg=28Kw for a claimed 52Kw new, and you might just eek it into licence limits. Likewse I would presume the RGV.it was based on which was never as powerful as the KR1 unless tuned.

Conclusion, though is that basically almost anything with a liquid cooled motor WILL have to be restricted, due to weight, significantly beneath even max power allowed by licence limits, and in most cases, down almost to or actually beneath that of full power 2T-125's like the Aprilia RS125 or Cagiva Mito, which with dry weights even lower, early Mito's re only 115Kg, would have to be restricted some-what, to achieve PTW limits.

The 'Answer' for a hi-po 2T on A2 is a full power Aprillia or Cagva, carefully picking one that does fall into regs without artificial emasculation.. good luck finding one for sensible money, let alone one that hasn't been ragged into the ground for a decade or two by a succession of kiddie-go-kwik owners, more likely to crack the spanners out to remove the exhaust gasket in the belief it's the magic restrictor ring, than pay attension to the piston rings or the fact that the crank-shaft IS listed as a service replacement part! These are not the most reliable bikes about, nor the cheapest to buy nor run. And the 250's, aren't much better.

But you don't care about licence limits anyway, running a full power NSR without licence to legally ride it... so why even bother taking a test? Why not carry on running the gauntlet on your illegal on L's NSR on L-Plates, of if you are prepared to be hung for a sheep as a lamb, or anything else with however much power you illegally crave?

But carry on... if licence laws don't stop you, repetitive top end rebuilds, and a row of ever more buggered pistons on your windowsill, and complaint that the new barel you eventually stumped up for didn't really reduce the rate they accumulated, until you accept it does need a new crank, from time to time.... you wont spend too much of the time util you can legally take tests for a Ride-What-You-Like-Licence, breaking the law, but contemplating components in the shed!

This phenominon has saved MANY an over enthusiastic rider, the 'bite' of a hi-po two-smoke.. especially one being run on a shoe string, where less mass than a CG125 and as much power as a Divvy six or Blandit, put through hard 'budget' tyres and a rather clapped out chain, don't add up to a recipe for a long and happy riding career!

On WHICH suggestion, Smiles by Miles, even a 'boring' ER5, on a restricted licence, that is cheap, affordeable, and ultimately disposeable, can deliver an awful lot more fun for your money... just by working for so many more miles! And only havng you scratchng your head in the shed when it eventually gives up, once, and you shrug your shoulders and say "No great loss; What else can I get for £500?"

A full-faired SV650, that shares the sporty styling of the late era smokers, delivers, as stock, more power than any of them, is heavy ebogh you may restrct to max licence power limit, and that doesn't raise insurers eye lids, can deliver more miles per gallon, for less spanner time or consumeables, AND costs less than a pretty clapped out NSR tiwce its age, let alone a Mito or RS, ever ore so the 'desirable' 250's!! Even THAT is bags and bags of win every which way over 'plan'....

Just a notion.. but it's very hard to recommend a 2T these days, as anything but an occasional use 'classic', and anything naturally A2 complaint is not inherently going to be all that exiting, and not a lot more than a 125, and all are going to be old and need a lot of nursing... I actually enjoy that bit... and still have one smoker in the shed, and wish it was more... BUT... struggle to find anything that could earn it's keep even as an occasional 'toy', and nothing I would envisage trying to use a more regular rider, even for the paltry 3ooo miles or so I do a year!
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[stevo as b4]

Chris your wasting your time with good reasoning. The OP sounds young and determined to have an old two stroke as his only bike because they are all so much better to ride than any four stroke modern bike that suits his licence category apparently.

A 20year old+ two stroke as an only bike or for my second ever bike if I didn't know what I was doing, how to fix them or didn't have the budget to really look after it, no sorry I wouldn't have one. He keeps on about an NSR 150 so let him go and find one. I doubt they are put together anything like as well as the NSR 125. He might as well put a 180cc Malossi kit on his 125 if he was going to buy a 150 rare two stroke that you probably can't get parts for in the UK.

Its laughable though to even suggest he buy an old classic 250cc sports bike, because they are so unsuitable for an A2 rider, and you will fuck one up trying to restrict one no doubt about it. Who the fuck would want a 250cc sports bike restricted deliberately to even less power than the 45bhp restricted Japanese market models, which are themselves not as much fun to ride as they could be.

Don't let some fool fuck up an RS/RGV because they have butt hurt about the licencing system and options they have available and are forced to follow.

I'd never come on here as an 18yr old kid with zero NCB and say how can I turbocharge my Ford Fiesta to keep up with a Subaru for peanuts, and whinge and moan that I don't want a suitable car because they are all crap compared to the vision I have in my head.

[TPW97]

I am in no way determined to get a two stroke if their not legal so I don't know why your being like that and my dad is a mechanic so he does the fixing and I earn more than enough to budget a 2T thanks, looks like I'll have to go for something along the lines of a rc390
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