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PostPosted: 19:40 - 24 Jan 2017    Post subject: Understated bike trousers Reply with quote

I'm getting a bit tired of putting on protective, padded leather motorbike over-trousers, and I want room to put on some weight anyway (current ones are 30" waist). So I looked online for what the options are. Thinking.. what would be the ideal bike commuting wear, suitable for indoor/office environments, that doesn't need me to haul a 60 litre rucksack with me to stuff it in?

I looked online and there are 3 basic choices for proper, protective bike trousers:
1) Leather over-trousers (i.e. the bottom half of 2-piece bike leathers). Probably the best choice, but bulky and inconvenient as they require changing.
2) Jeans-type trousers with knee and hip pads and Kevlar lining. They're protective and look good, but I have to rule them out as stuffy people don't like it when you waltz into a place in 'jeans' and make an instant beeline for the toilets to get changed. You also get a bit of imposter syndrome, which isn't good for your mind, if that's your routine.
3) Textile over-trousers. Same disadvantages as leather over-trousers and no real advantage in these at all, unless you just dislike leather.

So I concluded that the answer must be found in compromise. The basic utility of leather over-trousers isn't found in crash protection, as you (hopefully) don't crash often, but in staying warm in this weather. I think that's probably why most of us wear them. In the summer, hardly anybody wears any gear at all - not even gloves. So it's all about seasonal warmth first, crash protection second.

Thinking on those lines, I recalled seeing a pair of workman's trousers in a supermarket recently. A bit on the baggy side, but would they at least offer abrasion resistance equal to that of textile trouser armour, if not impact resistance? It would be cool if they did, because I can find them online without all those extra pockets, in plain black. I suppose bagginess would make them warmer, but in a tighter fitting size, they could just about pass as cheap black trousers suitable for office wear, if the rest of the outfit is a nice shirt and a blazer. Maybe slightly shiny, but otherwise inconspicuous.

The main issue, I suppose, would be abrasion resistance. How would they compare with, say, textile armour or jeans? What do you guys think?
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PostPosted: 19:48 - 24 Jan 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Depending upon what is acceptable in your office, how about some of these?
https://www.hoodjeans.co.uk/hood-motorcycle-jeans/cargo-jean-mens-black/
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PostPosted: 19:49 - 24 Jan 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

No idea on the abrasion resistance of them, but you'll look like a 100% gold standard bell end rocking up with a shirt, tie and blazer paired with some workman's trousers.

Seriously, jeans would look less ridiculous.

Edit: unless of course you work in a fancy dress shop or you're the manager of a trade factors
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PostPosted: 19:51 - 24 Jan 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

I work in an office environment and quite frankly don't give a fuck what people think I look like when I walk into work. As long as I'm dressed properly by the time I clock on I'm not doing anything wrong.

To answer some of your points. I generally wear textile upper and lowers as they are warmer and offer better resistance to the elements. In summer I wear my leathers because they are perforated and therefore cooler. I've also got some armoured jeans but not tried them yet as I don't want to freeze my scrotum off in this cold.

P.s I always wear gear. I'd rather have some protection if I come off than none.
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PostPosted: 19:53 - 24 Jan 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

bamt wrote:
Depending upon what is acceptable in your office, how about some of these?
https://www.hoodjeans.co.uk/hood-motorcycle-jeans/cargo-jean-mens-black/


Yes, exactly what I was thinking. Those minus the side pockets: workman's trousers that look like normal trousers. I wonder how they would fare in a slide though. Better than jeans? If so, it could be a plan.
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PostPosted: 19:55 - 24 Jan 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bonnie Lad wrote:
No idea on the abrasion resistance of them, but you'll look like a 100% gold standard bell end rocking up with a shirt, tie and blazer paired with some workman's trousers.


Yes, that's the danger. The moment anyone recognises them as workman's trousers, you'll be the joke of the year.

EDIT: or maybe like a civil engineer lost en route to a construction site.

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Seriously, jeans would look less ridiculous.

Edit: unless of course you work in a fancy dress shop or you're the manager of a trade factors


Neither, unfortunately. Dressing like a beta-dork is the rule.
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PostPosted: 20:04 - 24 Jan 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tawny wrote:
bamt wrote:
Depending upon what is acceptable in your office, how about some of these?
https://www.hoodjeans.co.uk/hood-motorcycle-jeans/cargo-jean-mens-black/


Yes, exactly what I was thinking. Those minus the side pockets: workman's trousers that look like normal trousers. I wonder how they would fare in a slide though. Better than jeans? If so, it could be a plan.



Without the cargo pocket are these:-
https://www.hoodjeans.co.uk/hood-motorcycle-jeans/b15-jean-mens-black/

The nice thing about Hood Jeans (other than being British) is that the kevlar-like lining gives full coverage down to mid-shin, unlike many kevlar jeans that just have patches in strategic places. The kevlar give abrasion resistance in a slide. Armour is optional.
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PostPosted: 20:08 - 24 Jan 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

bamt wrote:
Without the cargo pocket are these:-
https://www.hoodjeans.co.uk/hood-motorcycle-jeans/b15-jean-mens-black/

The nice thing about Hood Jeans (other than being British) is that the kevlar-like lining gives full coverage down to mid-shin, unlike many kevlar jeans that just have patches in strategic places. The kevlar give abrasion resistance in a slide. Armour is optional.


Perfect solution! That's almost exactly what I pictured in my head.
Thanks. My question answered. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 20:17 - 24 Jan 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tawny wrote:

Perfect solution! That's almost exactly what I pictured in my head.
Thanks. My question answered. Thumbs Up


Just be prepared to sweat your nads off in a office as Kevlar trousers are very warm.....
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PostPosted: 20:20 - 24 Jan 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Overtrousers and ride faster so that you've got enough time to take them off when you arrive. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 10:37 - 25 Jan 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

I got a pair of these, the missus couldnt tell if they were bike jeans or just new jeans

https://www.roadskin.co.uk/shop/black-paranoid-fully-lined-rain-jeans-with-elite-armour/
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PostPosted: 10:40 - 25 Jan 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Landy10 wrote:
I got a pair of these, the missus couldnt tell if they were bike jeans or just new jeans

https://www.roadskin.co.uk/shop/black-paranoid-fully-lined-rain-jeans-with-elite-armour/


Are those things windproof?
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PostPosted: 10:50 - 25 Jan 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

https://kickasstrips.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/Grayson-Perry-pink-motorbike-5-Small.jpg

You could get this guy to make you some, he is big on understatement. Laughing
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PostPosted: 12:07 - 25 Jan 2017    Post subject: Re: Understated bike trousers Reply with quote

Tawny wrote:
So I concluded that the answer must be found in compromise.
So your issue is that you have nowhere to store textile trousers at work or on your bike? Textiles over smart work wear has always been my choice. The compromise is that I get to work early to put all my gear in a locker, but that's it. You could even stuff textile trousers into a top box, though it's not ideal if you want them to dry out, but that's another compromise if you haven't got access to other facilities.
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PostPosted: 13:06 - 25 Jan 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

chickenstrip wrote:
Landy10 wrote:
I got a pair of these, the missus couldnt tell if they were bike jeans or just new jeans

https://www.roadskin.co.uk/shop/black-paranoid-fully-lined-rain-jeans-with-elite-armour/


Are those things windproof?


They are waterproof and with the kevlar lining from top to bottom they dont let much wind through.
I always wear a base layer under them
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PostPosted: 16:27 - 25 Jan 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was looking at some trousers in some of the outdoor gear shops in Ambleside today. Some look like pretty normal casual wear things, but use Goretex etc. Only thing is they offer no crash protection if you're concerned about that kind of thing, but far less bulky than proper bike wear stuff, and some would probably be quite warm too.
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PostPosted: 17:08 - 25 Jan 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for all the helpful tips. It's much appreciated.
I know someone who deliberates a bit too much over every clothing purchase, being a bit too indecisive, and he came to my mind when thinking about this stuff. So I decided that my solution has been found, so that's it for me. Happy days.

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I was looking at some trousers in some of the outdoor gear shops in Ambleside today. Some look like pretty normal casual wear things, but use Goretex etc. Only thing is they offer no crash protection if you're concerned about that kind of thing, but far less bulky than proper bike wear stuff, and some would probably be quite warm too.


That's interesting, because wearing proper bike gear is something I never really questioned since starting. It's just a habit drummed into us from CBT. But how necessary is it, really? You can see videos where people wearing T-shirts and shorts end up with no ill effects from a high speed spill (usually stunter squids), and others where armoured-up people suffer breaks and all sorts of serious injuries from low-speed falls. All kinds of possible reasons for that, but we may observe that people in general don't fall nowadays and so they're not used to breaking falls. With the exception of skiers, judokas, etc. very few people nowadays are used to the experience of falling from a log, a pushbike or skateboard as a kid. I'm not really convinced that armour is that useful. The nice thing about the Hood product is that the armour can be slipped out or omitted altogether, which makes the trousers look like normal trousers. Abrasion resistance is surely important. But if you hit something hard, armour is surely snake oil no matter how good it is.
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PostPosted: 17:22 - 25 Jan 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tawny wrote:


That's interesting, because wearing proper bike gear is something I never really questioned since starting. It's just a habit drummed into us from CBT. But how necessary is it, really? You can see videos where people wearing T-shirts and shorts end up with no ill effects from a high speed spill (usually stunter squids), and others where armoured-up people suffer breaks and all sorts of serious injuries from low-speed falls. All kinds of possible reasons for that, but we may observe that people in general don't fall nowadays and so they're not used to breaking falls. With the exception of skiers, judokas, etc. very few people nowadays are used to the experience of falling from a log, a pushbike or skateboard as a kid. I'm not really convinced that armour is that useful. The nice thing about the Hood product is that the armour can be slipped out or omitted altogether, which makes the trousers look like normal trousers. Abrasion resistance is surely important. But if you hit something hard, armour is surely snake oil no matter how good it is.


I started out on bikes wearing just ordinary jeans, maybe thermals if it got cold, light overtrousers if it was gonna rain. I have a pair of textile trousers to match the jacket now, but I hate the things. Today was just jeans and thermals. I rode like a twat Razz (No mrs or kids to worry about y'see Laughing ).
All but one of my crashes, I was wearing ordinary jeans. I scraped a knee once. When I had a full set of leathers, I smashed myself to within an inch of leaving this world.
And I'd like to see any martial artist use his skills to break a fall in a bike crash. These things happen unbelievably quickly - they are brutal.
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PostPosted: 18:59 - 25 Jan 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Now all the sensible answers are here can i add every time i read the title i think it reads understained trousers

And i think wtf
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PostPosted: 19:19 - 25 Jan 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

andyscooter wrote:
Now all the sensible answers are hwere xan i add every time i read the titlwe i think it reads understained trousers

And i think wtf


And every time I read that ^, I think, wtf did he say? Eh? Laughing
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PostPosted: 20:10 - 25 Jan 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

chickenstrip wrote:
andyscooter wrote:
Now all the sensible answers are hwere xan i add every time i read the titlwe i think it reads understained trousers

And i think wtf


And every time I read that ^, I think, wtf did he say? Eh? Laughing


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PostPosted: 20:48 - 25 Jan 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tawny wrote:
That's interesting, because wearing proper bike gear is something I never really questioned since starting. It's just a habit drummed into us from CBT. But how necessary is it, really? You can see videos where people wearing T-shirts and shorts end up with no ill effects from a high speed spill (usually stunter squids), and others where armoured-up people suffer breaks and all sorts of serious injuries from low-speed falls. All kinds of possible reasons for that, but we may observe that people in general don't fall nowadays and so they're not used to breaking falls. With the exception of skiers, judokas, etc. very few people nowadays are used to the experience of falling from a log, a pushbike or skateboard as a kid. I'm not really convinced that armour is that useful.


I'd be inclined to think that the problem with falling off a motorbike is a)the momentum of 200+kg of bike trying to grind you against the road and b)the lack of places to fall off the bike safe from the surrounding traffic. Neither of these things are really reproduced by falling off a log. I had several crashes on my pushbike in my mid 20s, including one were a woman drove out a junction into the side of me. With no heavy bike of bulky gear I just bounced off the bonnet and rolled on the street. No injuries bar a stiff shoulder and I was probably going 20mph+.

Compare to my first bike crash were I clipped the wheel of a van in front at ~15mph and went down. With no where to go I hit the ground hard and cracked a rib. It's all luck of the draw really, there are far too many factors to seriously try and work it out.

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The nice thing about the Hood product is that the armour can be slipped out or omitted altogether, which makes the trousers look like normal trousers. Abrasion resistance is surely important. But if you hit something hard, armour is surely snake oil no matter how good it is.


This is true but beware the idea of "slipping out" the armour. It's not happening. The armour is certainly removable but getting it properly positioned is a right PITA and requires turning the trousers inside out to properly match the Velcro on the armour lined up with the bit on the liner. They are also fine for riding in cold weather, I have ridden with them in temps down to ~3C on dual carriageways without problems. The only issue is getting them secured to/around/in your boots because they will ride up and that wind chill is bitter!

The armour you can buy or not as you feel appropriate. The hip armour isn't really noticeable, the knee armour is a bit as it sticks out beyond your knees, but its not particularly obvious. I've never worked in an office environment with dress rules but I don't imagine they would draw much comment.
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PostPosted: 21:14 - 25 Jan 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Then you end up walking about in (very expensive) shit stained trousers all day. If it rains they will get soaked.
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PostPosted: 22:29 - 25 Jan 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

kramdra wrote:
Then you end up walking about in (very expensive) shit stained trousers all day. If it rains they will get soaked.


I think this is a really good point. You might end up getting some great pants that look really subtle yet offer great protection. Then when you're riding to work and it's pissing it down and you've got all the shit flicking up on you, you'll end up having to sit in soaking wet dirty pants all day.

Surely the best answer is to arrive early and change out of your textiles into your work stuff?
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PostPosted: 22:51 - 25 Jan 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

No. There is never a good reason to wear textiles, they are shit.

Get decent 2 piece leathers to wear over normal trousers/jeans.
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